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Re: [swinog] Multihomed project
by Patrick Studer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Hi Alexandre Thanks for your suggestion. The solution with a 7201 looks very interesting and since one 7201 is near of the price of two 3825, that could be perhaps the solutions for which we should go. The only thing is, that with two separate boxes, we are better covered in the case of hardware failure. Kind Regards Patrick Studer ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Alexandre Egger [mailto:a.egger@neocarrier.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 13:39 An: Patrick Studer Betreff: Multihomed project Hi Patrick, I've seen your message on SwiNOG list for your multihoming project. If you have the budget and want to stick with Cisco, I would suggest you using 7201. They works very well and comes with 1GB or RAM. The end-user price in CHF is ~ 26200CHF, but you can probably get a good 5000 CHF discount since it is likely sold around 18k at reseller price. Ohterwise as you mentioned the 3800 series can be a way to go. The 3825 with a RAM upgrade to 1GB would bet a very good one, with end-user price of 10K (with 256 MB of RAM) you can probably grab one for 8500 CHF. If you are looking for a provider to offer you ASN, IP v4/v6 PI blocks, or even hardware please feel free to knock at our door. We price very attractive and have suppliers in Switzerland for hardware from the normal market. We are also able to provide you very attractive IP transit services if you are somewhere between Equinix 1 and ICT-Center Zurich. Wish you the best for your project! Cheers. -- Alexandre Egger Neocarrier Communications LTD 311, SHOREHAM STREET S2 4FA SHEFFIELD United Kingdom E : a.egger(a)neocarrier.com W : www.neocarrier.com

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Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements
by Patrick Studer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Ciao Reto Wir werden vermutlich in einem Datacenter in Basel starten. Aber danke für den Hinweis. Grüsse Patrick ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Reto Burkhalter [mailto:reto.burkhalter@basis06.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 14:26 An: Patrick Studer Betreff: AW: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements Hoi Patrick Dann empfehle ich an dieser Stelle doch mal die colozüri.ch - genügend Carriers und ISPs vorhanden, welche easy über Kupfer/Glas Fast/GigE liefern können, SwissIX im Hause und auch sonst ne nette Colo :-) -> http://www.colozueri.ch/ Gruss Reto > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Patrick Studer [mailto:p.studer@x-netconsulting.ch] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 10:33 > An: 'Matthias Hertzog' > Cc: 'swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch' > Betreff: Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements > > > Hallo Matthias > > Das steht noch nicht fest. Wir planen aber unsere RZ in ein externes > Datacenter auszulagern, welches die benötigten Anbindungen zu > anderen ISPs > für Upstream und den Zugang zu SwissIX bietet. > > Grüsse > > Patrick > > ************************************************************** > **************** > X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet > http://www.x-netconsulting.ch > Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail > p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch > CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 > Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 > ************************************************************** > **************** > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Matthias Hertzog [mailto:m.hertzog@mhs.ch] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 10:10 > An: p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch > Betreff: Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements > > Sali Patrick > > Wo steht euer RZ? > > Viele Grüsse > Matthias > > _________________________________________ > > mhs @ internet AG > Zürcherstrasse 204, CH - 9014 St. Gallen > Phone +41 71 274 93 93, Fax +41 71 274 93 94 > http://www.mhs.ch > _________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch> > To: <swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:49 AM > Subject: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements > > > > Hi > > > > We are planning to go multihomed with our infrastructure. > > > > The first step will be, to have 10 Mbit/s fixed or 100 > Mbit/s burstable > > service > > with an additional link to SwissIX where we want to do some privat > > peerings. > > > > In a second step, we will add a second or a third upstream > with about the > > same speeds as the first connection. All connection should > be done by > > normal Ethernet connection. > > > > Currently we have a Cisco 2811 with 256 MB Ram. Would it be > enough for the > > first > > step to upgrade the ram to 768 MB or will it be necessary to buy a > > better/bigger > > router (2851, 3825 or 720x system). > > > > We tried to find some recommendations on the internet, but > we wasn't > > successful. > > > > What is your recommendation for this scenario? > > > > Regards > > > > Patrick Studer > > > > > ************************************************************** > **************** > > X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet > > http://www.x-netconsulting.ch > > Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail > > p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch > > CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 > > Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 > > > ************************************************************** > **************** > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > swinog mailing list > > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog >

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Full BGP Routing Router Requirements
by studer.patrick＠gmx.ch 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Hi We are planning to go multihomed with our infrastructure. The first step will be, to have 10 Mbit/s fixed or 100 Mbit/s burstable service with an additional link to SwissIX where we want to do some privat peerings. In a second step, we will add a second or a third upstream with about the same speeds as the first connection. All connection should be done by normal Ethernet connection. Currently we have a Cisco 2811 with 256 MB Ram. Would it be enough for the first step to upgrade the ram to 768 MB or will it be necessary to buy a better/bigger router (2851, 3825 or 720x system). We tried to find some recommendations on the internet, but we wasn't successful. What is your recommendation for this scenario? Regards Patrick Studer ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ******************************************************************************

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Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements
by Patrick Studer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Hallo Viktor Wie wäre denn Deine Empfehlung. Etwas grösseres ist etwas unklar ;-). Grüsse Patrick ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Viktor Steinmann [mailto:stony@stony.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 10:40 An: studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch Betreff: RE: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements Hoi Patrick Ich würde schwer empfehlen, etwas grösseres reinzustellen. Erstens wächst die BGP-Tabelle unaufhörlich, zweitens steigt der Memory-Bedarf mit jedem angehängten Peering und drittens wirst du eventuell mal auf IPv6 migrieren wollen/müssen. Um die Kosten im Griff zu behalten, kannst du locker einen Router von einem Used-Hardware-Dealer beziehen - ich hab' das früher immer so gemacht und bin damit nie schlecht gefahren (Kratzer am Gehäuse haben keinen Einfluss auf den Durchsatz ;-)) Grüessli, Viktor > -----Original Message----- > From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch > [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of > studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch > Sent: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 09:49 > To: 'swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch' > Subject: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements > > Hi > > We are planning to go multihomed with our infrastructure. > > The first step will be, to have 10 Mbit/s fixed or 100 Mbit/s > burstable service > with an additional link to SwissIX where we want to do some > privat peerings. > > In a second step, we will add a second or a third upstream > with about the > same speeds as the first connection. All connection should be done by > normal Ethernet connection. > > Currently we have a Cisco 2811 with 256 MB Ram. Would it be > enough for the first > step to upgrade the ram to 768 MB or will it be necessary to > buy a better/bigger > router (2851, 3825 or 720x system). > > We tried to find some recommendations on the internet, but we > wasn't successful. > > What is your recommendation for this scenario? > > Regards > > Patrick Studer > > ************************************************************** > **************** > X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet > http://www.x-netconsulting.ch > Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail > p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch > CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 > Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 > ************************************************************** > **************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog >

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Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements
by Patrick Studer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Hi Peter Thanks for the input (incl. the hint for Kingston, which we already know ;-)). Depending, on what we get form other as suggestion, we think that we will start with a 28xx or 38xx router. Kind Regards Patrick ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Peter Kohler [mailto:peter.kohler@netcetera.ch] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 11:22 An: studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements Hi Patrick, ...i forgot to mention, that we also had to buy/license the "IPAdvanced Service" image for the 2811 in order to do BGP4. Peter -- Travel in and around Zürich with our free iPhone application Wemlin: http://mobile.netcetera.ch/wemlin Dr. Peter Kohler | peter.kohler(a)netcetera.ch phone +41-44-247 79 03 | fax +41-44-247 70 75 Netcetera AG | 8040 Zürich | Switzerland | http://netcetera.ch

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Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements
by Patrick Studer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Hi We prefer to have a Cisco box, since we have about 15 years of cisco experience. Kind Regards Patrick ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Marcel Prisi [mailto:marcel.prisi@virtua.ch] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 10:02 An: studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements Dear Patrick, We have been using PC based (HP servers + SSD) Vyatta routers for some time, they work extremely well at the fraction of the price of Cisco gear. We setup a full AS with two upstreams here at Sefanet, including full redundancy for a great price ... tell me if you are interested ! Best regards. Le jeudi 17 septembre 2009 à 09:49 +0200, studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch a écrit : > Hi > > We are planning to go multihomed with our infrastructure. > > The first step will be, to have 10 Mbit/s fixed or 100 Mbit/s > burstable service with an additional link to SwissIX where we want to do some privat peerings. > > In a second step, we will add a second or a third upstream with about > the same speeds as the first connection. All connection should be done > by normal Ethernet connection. > > Currently we have a Cisco 2811 with 256 MB Ram. Would it be enough for > the first step to upgrade the ram to 768 MB or will it be necessary to > buy a better/bigger router (2851, 3825 or 720x system). > > We tried to find some recommendations on the internet, but we wasn't successful. > > What is your recommendation for this scenario? > > Regards > > Patrick Studer > > ****************************************************************************** > X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch > Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch > CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 > Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 > ********************************************************************** > ******** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > -- Marcel Prisi co-director - head of network services virtua SA interactive communication agency En Clamogne 27 Ch -1170 Aubonne T. +41 21 821 15 20 F. +41 21 821 15 21 virtua | from internet to business® | · ·

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Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements
by Patrick Studer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Hallo Matthias Das steht noch nicht fest. Wir planen aber unsere RZ in ein externes Datacenter auszulagern, welches die benötigten Anbindungen zu anderen ISPs für Upstream und den Zugang zu SwissIX bietet. Grüsse Patrick ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthias Hertzog [mailto:m.hertzog@mhs.ch] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 10:10 An: p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements Sali Patrick Wo steht euer RZ? Viele Grüsse Matthias _________________________________________ mhs @ internet AG Zürcherstrasse 204, CH - 9014 St. Gallen Phone +41 71 274 93 93, Fax +41 71 274 93 94 http://www.mhs.ch _________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: <studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch> To: <swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:49 AM Subject: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements > Hi > > We are planning to go multihomed with our infrastructure. > > The first step will be, to have 10 Mbit/s fixed or 100 Mbit/s burstable > service > with an additional link to SwissIX where we want to do some privat > peerings. > > In a second step, we will add a second or a third upstream with about the > same speeds as the first connection. All connection should be done by > normal Ethernet connection. > > Currently we have a Cisco 2811 with 256 MB Ram. Would it be enough for the > first > step to upgrade the ram to 768 MB or will it be necessary to buy a > better/bigger > router (2851, 3825 or 720x system). > > We tried to find some recommendations on the internet, but we wasn't > successful. > > What is your recommendation for this scenario? > > Regards > > Patrick Studer > > ****************************************************************************** > X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet > http://www.x-netconsulting.ch > Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail > p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch > CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 > Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 > ****************************************************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog >

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Re: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements
by Patrick Studer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

If possible, it would be nice to survive a ddos ;-) That the 256 MB isn't enough is clear. Because of this we asked, if it will be enough just to upgrade to 768 MB to hold a full routing table or not. Or to ask the question direct, what is the minimum memory requirements to hold a full routing table from one or two upstreams and have some privat peerings at SwissIX? It's more a question of, if the 2811 can do this job and we can add perhaps a second 2811 for a second upstream, or if we should start over with a better solution. Since the router isn't too old, we like to use it for this. If your recommendation is to go with a 3845, then we have to forget about idea to go with the 2811. We just like to know, what will be the minimum requirements and the disadvantage of this minimum solution, and what will be the best cost/performance solutions for that scenario. Regards Patrick ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Bernd SPIESS [mailto:bernd.spiess@i3b.at] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. September 2009 09:54 An: studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch Betreff: RE: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements it depends do you want to survive a ddos or not? with 100 mbit link speed a 2811 will die for 100% when you receive a dos/ddos in your direction 256 mb ram will also be to less for multihoming if you want to have one or two full routing table. It will be ok for two default routes and some peering routes. what is your budget ? typically a standard setup for a stable multihoming scenario with two core routers build with cisco can go from 10k until 20k euro below 10k€ you don’t get a solution with solves all cases. bernd -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of studer.patrick(a)gmx.ch Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 9:49 AM To: 'swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch' Subject: [swinog] Full BGP Routing Router Requirements Hi We are planning to go multihomed with our infrastructure. The first step will be, to have 10 Mbit/s fixed or 100 Mbit/s burstable service with an additional link to SwissIX where we want to do some privat peerings. In a second step, we will add a second or a third upstream with about the same speeds as the first connection. All connection should be done by normal Ethernet connection. Currently we have a Cisco 2811 with 256 MB Ram. Would it be enough for the first step to upgrade the ram to 768 MB or will it be necessary to buy a better/bigger router (2851, 3825 or 720x system). We tried to find some recommendations on the internet, but we wasn't successful. What is your recommendation for this scenario? Regards Patrick Studer ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Grosspeterstrasse 21 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4052 Basel Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Jemand von Swisscom BBCS / IP-Plus noch am arbeiten ?
by Guazzoni Daniele, CH 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Ich kämpfe gerade vergeblich mit euren support wegen eine simple routing anpassung... Ich bin off-list erreichbar Danke regards ------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniele Guazzoni Network & System Engineer Cisco Certified Network Professional Email: daniele.guazzoni(a)audatex.ch Audatex Systems GmbH Zollstrasse 62 CH-8021 Zuerich Tel : +41 44 278 87 54 Fax : +41 44 278 85 15 Web : http://www.audatex.com Audatex , a Solera company This e-mail, any associated files and the information contained in them are confidential and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please notify the originator and delete the email immediately. The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. E-mails to and from the company are monitored for operational reasons and in accordance with lawful business practices. Any opinions expressed are those of the individual and do not necessarily represent the views of the company. The company does not conclude contracts by email and all negotiations are subject to contract. We make every effort to maintain our network free from computer viruses but accept no responsibility for any viruses which might be transferred by this e-mail.

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Security appliance advice
by Simon Leins 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Dear fellows, I currently look after a security solution for my company. I know that I will not get many answers from the list, as security is pretty much the secret recipie of all network operators. However, I better try to send a post here and see what feedbacks I can get, so let’s get started. I run a farm of 15 servers, all running RedHat Linux 5 x64. These servers are mainly webhosting orientated, they handle website files, database and emails. The network is multihomed and with a capacity of 3 x 100 Mbit. We currently don’t have any kind of security, nor a firewall appliance (yes, I know shame on me). At this point, I am looking at a cost-effective solution. I have checked around for commercial solutions and have found Cisco and Juniper to be my options. I must admit that I am not convinced at all by these brands and would fell pretty ashamed to have a Cisco ASA toy in my rack. As for Juniper, it seems that the boxes are a bit overpriced for my single-featured IT department and would kill my yearly poor budget. I use to see some dirty forged packets hiting the servers. They never took a server down, nor made them fill up the memory, but I consider I could see some „dos“ or even non-bot size „ddos“ attacks. Another point is that I must have a firewall that is transparent. Some servers requires to have public IP (for dumb license reasons). What would you advice? Is BSD/Linux with a multi-gig port a good option to consider? What firewall do you advice? How do you clean ddos? Looking forward to reading all answers. Regards. - Simon

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