A friend just told me that Cybernet told him there is a Switzerlandwide Internet Problem.
Does anybody know something?
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SwiNOG #18 is approaching. If you happen to be registered and you're unable
to attend, please inform swinog-core at swinog dot ch NOW and vacate your
seat. We still have a waiting list of ~20 and we would like to get all of
them a chance to attend.
Dear SwiNOGers ;)
As you may have noticed, our registration is waaaay overbooked.
If you're not 100% sure you can attend, if you dont really need to
come (maybe you're a sales :P), if you 'just want to see it once, no
idea what it is', please send me your cancelation.
This will allow long term attendees who are on the waiting list to
join the meeting.
If you feel offended by the description above or think its rude, don't
be, no, really, we're just trying to find some place for people who
should be able to join the meeting.
On 29.03.2009 23:36 Frederic Gargula wrote
> Arnold Nipper wrote:
>> On 26.03.2009 14:37 Pascal Gloor wrote
>>> If you feel offended by the description above or think its rude,
>>> don't be, no, really, we're just trying to find some place for people
>>> who should be able to join the meeting.
>> Easiest would be to go for a bigger location :-)
> I do not agree. I think the better would be to filter a bit more the
> That's a NOG (Network Operators Group), intended to make the people
> running the Internet in Switzerland meet approx. twice per year.
> Since a few times, we see a lot of people who do not operate a network.
> Salesguys are just an example of what could/should be filtered..
Quoting the charter (http://www.swinog.ch/charter/index.asp)
" ... SwiNOG is aimed at technical personnel working for Service
Providers active in Switzerland, but it is open to anyone interested in
furthering the SwiNOG goals. ..."
Imho "filter a bit" and "open to anyone interested" only works if your
filter is "permit all" :_)
Arnold Nipper / nIPper consulting, Sandhausen, Germany
email: arnold(a)nipper.de phone: +49 6224 9259 299
mobile: +49 172 2650958 fax: +49 6224 9259 333
Is there such thing as F5 Big-IP (or ServerIron, etc.) "Shared-Housing"
available around in Switzerland?
It would be for a small and simple HA/LB setup (2-3 L/FAMP Servers), and
we can't (yet) afford the costs of getting a F5 Big-Ip (or two) :-)
The other option would be to get the Load-Balancing-work done "by hand"
with a custom-pound/carp/heartbeat & co. solution from a housing/hosting
company (for example nine.ch), but I first need to check all options.
So if you have something like this in your catalog, please tell me or
feel free to forward my mail address to your "sales" people.
Thanks & regards,
This could help some of us to explain latency to customers.
There's other nice tools on the same web site.
Jerome Tissieres - Senior Network Administrator
Tel: +41 21 618 03 77 Fax: +41 21 618 07 07
Ch. de Bellerive 23, P.O. Box 915
CH - 1001 Lausanne, Switzerland
P please consider the environment before printing this email
The federal adminstration wants to change the law about cyber crime.
(or especially Genehmigung und Umsetzung des Übereinkommens des
Europarates über die Cyberkriminalität )
I think this includes some dynamite in the details
First of all: I think its time for the government to face the fact
that there are many open ends (like the discussion we had with the
order from Canton de Vaud). My biggest issue with facing CyberCrime is
however that not the law is the issue but the ability of the police
force to enforce the law. Mainly due to lack of knowledge and probably
financial resources. CyberCrime is happening every day and is
happening Quick. The processes on police work where maybe accurate
1960 but lack the needed speed of todays events. I had two incidents
in my own company where it has clearly shown that the police has not
the slightest clue what's happening on the internet, besides how to
fix the issue. Costed me a hell of a lot of money at the end even it
was a crystal clear case for me (as a techie...). But I must admit its
not the fault of the law, its the fault of the execution of the law
and the financial resources needed to follow those cases.
The law above however has a section which I think is dangerous and
could affect our work:
Das materielle Strafrecht mit seinen am 1. Januar 1995 in Kraft
mungen im Bereich "Computerstrafrecht" vermag den Erfordernissen der
on über weite Strecken zu genügen. Anpassungsbedarf ergibt sich
Straftatbestandes des unbefugten Eindringens in ein
143bis des Strafgesetzbuches, sog. "Hacking"-Tatbestand). Hier wird
eine Vorverlagerung der Strafbarkeit vorzunehmen: Strafbar soll sich
wer Programme oder Daten zugänglich macht im Wissen, dass diese für
Eindringen in ein Computersystem verwendet werden sollen. Daneben
halb der Erfordernisse gemäss Konvention, vorgeschlagen, das durch die
verbreitet kritisierte Merkmal der fehlenden Bereicherungsabsicht in
StGB zu streichen.
Now what does that mean? It is basically what the germans have done
under the "Hackerparagraph". It disallows software which could
potentially be used for hacking to be distributed. The result of this
was for example that in germany the WiFi tools to verify your WiFi
security dissapeared. Why? because someone COULD use it for hacking.
If you think this a bit further, you could use a C compiler to write a
hacker tool, so it could be considered a tool to do hacking and we all
very well know know someone can write hacking tools in C. So to bring
this ad absurdum, it could theoretically forbid us to distribute a C
compiler. Or think about Linux.
Of course this is a bit far reached but there are many gray zones in
between. For example I use Wireshark, a great open source packet
analyzer for my daily work because I develop network protocols or
verify network protocols. Of course someone could use this for hacking
to listen to passwords in cleartext (for example from old POP3
accounts). So if we publish a wireshark version on our server, we
The result will be that security tools to verify your security will be
forbidden. You will not be able to verify if your machine is crackable
or not. The real bad boys out there (and I'm not saying a hacker is a
bad boy by definition because most are honest and more in the area of
security researcher than anything else) will not give a dam if they
are allowed to distribute this hacking software because they per
definition want to commit crime. So they will get hold of that
software and just use it. And because no one was able to verify if
POP3 cleartext passwords are floating on your lan, they will find it
out for you but they will not help you to make your computer network a
more secure world, they will simply abuse it to send spam, to take
money from your bank account or whatever they want.
So the normal end user is getting tools removed to help fight crime.
This is helping the bad boys instead of keeping them out.
Its like saying, you are not allowed to encrypt to protect your
privacy simply because some bad boys encrypt to protect their evil
I think the report from the EJPD was written by people who do not
understand the technological impact of such laws.
I think we should respond to this proposal to keep above paragraph out
of the law. Otherwise we wouldn't even be able to help the police if
they are investigating because the tools to do this are also used by
Here is what I got first from EJPD.
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(Geschäfte EJPD: Cybercrime). Das Verfahren läuft bis 30. Juni 2009.
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