This is the Call for Presentations European Peering Forum 14 (EPF14)
AMS-IX, DE-CIX, LINX and Netnod are happy to host the 14th European
Peering Forum (EPF) in Tallinn, Estonia from the 16th - 18th
September 2019. The event will welcome up to 300 peering managers and
coordinators from networks connected to the host Internet exchanges.
Besides an interesting topical agenda, the three-day event
accommodates room for attendees to meet on a one-to-one basis to
discuss bilateral peering business opportunities.
The programme committee will be looking for presentations and
lightning talks related to peering and technical topics of
interconnection. Your presentation should address
* Interconnection Automation
* Regional Peering
* Interconnection / Peering Internet Governance and Regulatory Topics
* Economic and Product Trends
* Peering / Interconnection strategies
* Interesting findings about Peering / Interconnection
* 400GE and beyond
Presentations must be of a non-commercial nature. Product or
marketing heavy talks are strongly discouraged.
Submissions of presentations should be made to the programme
committee <epf-pc(a)peering-forum.eu>. Please include:
* Author's name and e-mail address
* Presentation title
* Slides (if available)
* Time requested (max. 30 minutes incl. Q&A)
Presentation Abstract Deadline 15/07/2019 12:00 UTC
Final Selection of Speakers 26/07/2019
Presentation Slides Submission Deadline 02/09/2019 12:00 UTC
More information about the event and other activities around EPF14
may be found at
mobile: +49 172 2650958
Hello SwiNOG list !
SwissNeutralNet is an non-profit association for net neutrality in
Switzerland like others ISP in French region under the federation of
FFDN (we are not actually member but it's a goal) ->
https://www.ffdn.org/en. Actually we are over 30 members, and everyone
can join us to support net neutrality. We aim to provide Internet
connectivity with neutral rules like non discrimination on traffic,
fixed IP address v4/v6 and to prove this is possible. For the moment our
website is writed in french, it's not finished, i want to translate it
in english, and why not in the future in german and italian if a person
is interested to do that.
In 2018 we have become a RIPE member (AS200601), we obtained a last /22
IPv4 block from 188.8.131.52/8 and one IPv6 prefix. We have an
infrastructure in a datacenter in Lausanne, for the moment we are able
to provide automated VPN service and we want to provide Internet access
directly to our members which subscribe to the service (yes, we don't
have customer), each person want to obtain our services need to become
member in SwissNeutralNet.
To be able to provide connectivity to our members by copper/fiber lines,
we take some informations from Swisscom Wholesale and the price is very
very high (page 6/8 from this document if it's correct:
). 100'000 CHF for a BBCS interconnexion to provide connectivity on
local loop is correct ?
How an enterprise which want to enter in the market can be a provider at
this cost ? I know there is some costs to provide lines, to install and
maintain cables under roads etc, but if this price is the official cost,
how a little enterprise can enter in the market ?
Okay, today we need to enter in the market for our goals about net
neutrality, and we don't have much money to spend it into /dev/null so
we ask you how we can provide Internet access via local loop at a
reasonable price ? Which of you, if you have a copper/fiber collect
interconnexion with Swisscom, would be interested to cooperate with us
for some DSL/fiber lines ?
We would be happy to read you in private at info(a)swissneutral.net for
your proposition/partnership and to reply to your message. And of course
it's very interesting to discuss here about solutions, tips and idea
about access to local loop.
I'm happy to meet you in a future event, i cannot be present tomorrow at
SwiNOG #35 in Berne.
Fournisseur d'accès associatif à but non lucratif
As some may know Init7 decided to leave SwissIX at the end of 2018
mainly to protest against the recent policy of the not-for-profit
A decade ago SwissIX was completely volunteer driven, offering peering
infrastructure for no recurring fee. This had changed over time and
ended in an very high fee for a 10gig port of CHF 750 per month
(including a 2nd port for redundancy), which is a lot of money,
comparing other exchanges with similar size and structure such as LONAP
and considering current hardware pricing.
As a matter of fact, SwissIX ports were twice as expensive as the
commercial internet exchange of Equinix in Zürich.
This resulted in accumulation of cash on SwissIX bank account, as well
as rather high consulting fees paid to people which apparently abandoned
the community volunteering idea of the association.
For more details please refer to
What happend since then:
The SwissIX board reconsidered their price policy quicker than expected
and lowered port prices to a reasonable level with effect of beginning
of 2019. After all Init7's protest leave was for good, as everybody has
to pay less ... you may show your gratitude by sending a 10pack of your
favorite beer to Winterthur - delivery address in the footer ;-)
Init7 is now back and currently reconnecting with two redundant 10gig:
in the recently established site of green.ch in Lupfig, along with
e-shelter in Rümlang. The connections should be ready in a few days, as
we are waiting for cross connect delivery.
A few words about our peering policy - please consider before sending a
1. Init7 AS13030 is not peering with SwissIX Route Servers
2. Init7 is not peering with transit customers or customer customers
3. Init7 expects you to setup 4 BGP sessions (v4, v6 to each router)
4. Init7 expects you to have an up-to-date PeeringDB record
5. Any peering request should be sent to peering at init7 dot net
6. If there is more traffic than a few hundred Mbps, Init7 expects you
to setup at least one preferred PNI in any common location to offload
traffic and dependency from public infrastructure
7. Init7 expects you to send beer - ehm no
So here we are again, because peering matters.
Fredy on behalf of Init7, SwissIX President 2004 - 2009
Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
Twitter: @init7 / @kuenzler
We are running some public NTP servers that are included in the NTP Pool.
In recent months we've had some issues with our servers being marked as unavailable by the monitoring host that tracks availability for the pool.
The logs from the NTP pool website showed high packet loss.
However we could not see any issues on our side and pings from the looking glass closest to the monitoring host didn't show any packet loss at all.
After quite some debugging we realized that the packet loss only occurs for NTP packets via one of our transit providers, namely Liberty Global (AS6830).
We queried their support, our theory being that they're trying to do some sort of DDoS protection for NTP reflection attacks.
However they aren't aware of anything like this and also couldn't figure out why this is happening.
So I was wondering, has anyone else encountered this issue or something similar?
We worked around the issues by routing the traffic around AS6830 but this still bothers me somehow.
Kind regards and see you soon at Swinog #35,