There can be legal requirements in different contexts, such as adult content, data protection issues, copyright protected content etc. I often draft disclaimers and legal wording for websites, so contact me offlist for any specific questions. You needn't even become my client to discuss a few basis issues...

Christa

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Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch im Auftrag von Steven Glogger Gesendet: Do 29.01.2009 14:52 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] login banner

are there legal requirements? ,-) i'm not even sure when someone tries to enter some login/password's to logins if this is illegal. no one is stupid enogh to not filter login traffic but to show some nice designed banners to hackers ,-)

-steven

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From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Michael Krygier Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:49 AM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] login banner

Can anyone provide sample login banners that meet legal requirements in Switzerland?

Thank you in advance,

___________________________

Michael Krygier

Tonnerre Lombard schrieb:

Hold on, adult content via SSH? What exactly do you have in mind?

dont you know ascii-art?

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Thank you all for your feedback. I've received some good suggestions that mention including Swiss penal law StGB Art. 143bis in the banner.

Cheers, Michael

From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Yann Gauteron Sent: 30 January 2009 10:48 To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] WG: login banner

I think this would be interesting for all of us. So why not keep the discussion open and here ? 2009/1/29 Christa Pfister mail@c-pfister.ch There can be legal requirements in different contexts, such as adult content, data protection issues, copyright protected content etc. I often draft disclaimers and legal wording for websites, so contact me offlist for any specific questions. You needn't even become my client to discuss a few basis issues...   Christa

Salut, Michael,

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:32:25 +0100, Michael Naef wrote:

http://aeolus.ch/home/blog.php#Idioten%20Signaturen

What's the problem with these disclaimers in signatures?

Tonnerre

DISCLAIMER: IF YOU RECEIVE THIS EMAIL IN ERROR, YOU ARE HEREBY LEGALLY OBLIGED TO PHYSICALLY DESTROY ALL MEDIA WHICH EVER CONTAINED THE MAIL (HARD DISKS, MEMORY, ETC. OF BOTH THE WORKSTATION AND THE MAIL SERVERS), ALONG WITH ALL MATERIAL USED TO TRANSFER, LIQUIDATE ANY COWORKERS WHICH MIGHT HAVE HAD A GLANCE OF THE EMAIL (ESPECIALLY THE SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS), AND RASP YOUR HEAD OFF WITH A VERY FINE GRATER.

SANS Audit Check list for BS ISO/ IEC 27001:2005

15.1.5 Prevention of misuse of information processing facilities

Whether a log-on a warning message is presented on the computer screen prior to log-on. Whether the user has to acknowledge the warning and react appropriately to the message on the screen to continue with the log-on process.

MK

-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Michael Naef Sent: 30 January 2009 13:32 To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] WG: login banner

On Friday 30 January 2009, Michael Krygier wrote:

Thank you all for your feedback. I've received some good suggestions that mention including Swiss penal law StGB Art. 143bis in the banner.

Please help us to protect from citations of law texts tattered all over the walls. The law applies *even* if you don't stick your favourite snippets everywhere. When I returned from the USA to europe I was so glad to no langer have to read on *toilets* that the law forbids to leave the room whithout washing the hands...

When someone with bad intents is seeing this message, he won't care a sh**. The only achievement of all the law citers is to cultivate politically imature citizen unable to bear responsibility for their own.

(Not to mention that you should take rather strong technical than leagal precaution. Otherwise StGB 143bis wont't apply at all...)

If you choose to publish StGB 143bis as a motd, please don't forget to place stickers on all your doors and windows telling that it is forbiden to break in a house, on your car telling that vadalism and theft are illegal and on all street signs that is not allowed to ignore them.

my 5 cents.

Michi

Oh yes: And don't forget to add a legal disclaimer to your eail footer. http://aeolus.ch/home/blog.php#Idioten%20Signaturen _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

ISO is a network of the national standards institutes of 158 countries, one member per country, with a Central Secretariat in Geneva, Switzerland, that coordinates the system.

-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Claudio Jeker Sent: 30 January 2009 15:11 To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] WG: login banner

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 02:50:01PM +0100, Michael Krygier wrote:

SANS Audit Check list for BS ISO/ IEC 27001:2005

15.1.5 Prevention of misuse of information processing

facilities

Whether a log-on a warning message is presented on the computer screen prior to log-on. Whether the user has to acknowledge the warning and react appropriately to the message on the screen to continue with the log-on process.

Oh hell. Those are probably the same idiots that make it a big fuss about when you don't deliberately break the internet by blocking all ICMP messages on your Firewalls. Or where the disclosure of the correct time is considered a security risk.

Why the hell do such organisations apply US idiocy to the sane world.

</rant>

On Friday 30 January 2009, Peter Keel wrote: [ISO]

"Thou shalt not design protocols by commitee".

Or mapped to the current issue:

"Security cannot be declared, one can only try hard and constantly to implement it."

This is what many, many people don't understand. Especially those whit lack of technical knowledge, which then poorly have to fall back to say "but its illegal".

For example see the award winning statemant of the DECT Forum after it was discovered that most DECT phones can easly be wiretapped:

"Das DECT Forum, der internationale Verband der Home-Communication-Industrie, hält das Abhörisiko aufgrund der entdeckten Schwachstellen in der Kommunikation von Mobilteilen mit der Basisstation für gering. Das leitet das DECT Forum daraus ab, dass das Abhören von Telefongesprächen eine Straftat darstelle und es nicht möglich sei, Telefongespräche zufällig abzuhören."

http://www.heise.de/security/DECT-Forum-Abhoerrisiko-bei-schnurlosen-Telefon...

I don't think that this statement makes anybody feel safer.

Poore one if this statement is ones only answer.

Greets,

Michi