Hello SwiNOG list !
SwissNeutralNet is an non-profit association for net neutrality in Switzerland like others ISP in French region under the federation of FFDN (we are not actually member but it's a goal) -> https://www.ffdn.org/en. Actually we are over 30 members, and everyone can join us to support net neutrality. We aim to provide Internet connectivity with neutral rules like non discrimination on traffic, fixed IP address v4/v6 and to prove this is possible. For the moment our website is writed in french, it's not finished, i want to translate it in english, and why not in the future in german and italian if a person is interested to do that.
In 2018 we have become a RIPE member (AS200601), we obtained a last /22 IPv4 block from 185.0.0.0/8 and one IPv6 prefix. We have an infrastructure in a datacenter in Lausanne, for the moment we are able to provide automated VPN service and we want to provide Internet access directly to our members which subscribe to the service (yes, we don't have customer), each person want to obtain our services need to become member in SwissNeutralNet.
To be able to provide connectivity to our members by copper/fiber lines, we take some informations from Swisscom Wholesale and the price is very very high (page 6/8 from this document if it's correct: https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/en/ws/documents/E_BBCS-Documents/d_bbcs... ). 100'000 CHF for a BBCS interconnexion to provide connectivity on local loop is correct ?
How an enterprise which want to enter in the market can be a provider at this cost ? I know there is some costs to provide lines, to install and maintain cables under roads etc, but if this price is the official cost, how a little enterprise can enter in the market ?
Okay, today we need to enter in the market for our goals about net neutrality, and we don't have much money to spend it into /dev/null so we ask you how we can provide Internet access via local loop at a reasonable price ? Which of you, if you have a copper/fiber collect interconnexion with Swisscom, would be interested to cooperate with us for some DSL/fiber lines ?
We would be happy to read you in private at info@swissneutral.net for your proposition/partnership and to reply to your message. And of course it's very interesting to discuss here about solutions, tips and idea about access to local loop.
I'm happy to meet you in a future event, i cannot be present tomorrow at SwiNOG #35 in Berne.
Best regards
Hello SwiNOG,
Thanks to all person which reply to us in private, the SwissNeutralNet committee must meet to respond to the various proposals received.
We wish you a good week to all.
Best regards
Florian Siegenthaler Association SwissNeutral.net Fournisseur d'accès associatif à but non lucratif florian@swissneutral.net https://www.swissneutral.net/
Le 07.05.19 à 21:55, Florian Siegenthaler a écrit :
Hello SwiNOG list !
SwissNeutralNet is an non-profit association for net neutrality in Switzerland like others ISP in French region under the federation of FFDN (we are not actually member but it's a goal) -> https://www.ffdn.org/en. Actually we are over 30 members, and everyone can join us to support net neutrality. We aim to provide Internet connectivity with neutral rules like non discrimination on traffic, fixed IP address v4/v6 and to prove this is possible. For the moment our website is writed in french, it's not finished, i want to translate it in english, and why not in the future in german and italian if a person is interested to do that.
In 2018 we have become a RIPE member (AS200601), we obtained a last /22 IPv4 block from 185.0.0.0/8 and one IPv6 prefix. We have an infrastructure in a datacenter in Lausanne, for the moment we are able to provide automated VPN service and we want to provide Internet access directly to our members which subscribe to the service (yes, we don't have customer), each person want to obtain our services need to become member in SwissNeutralNet.
To be able to provide connectivity to our members by copper/fiber lines, we take some informations from Swisscom Wholesale and the price is very very high (page 6/8 from this document if it's correct: https://www.swisscom.ch/dam/swisscom/en/ws/documents/E_BBCS-Documents/d_bbcs... ). 100'000 CHF for a BBCS interconnexion to provide connectivity on local loop is correct ?
How an enterprise which want to enter in the market can be a provider at this cost ? I know there is some costs to provide lines, to install and maintain cables under roads etc, but if this price is the official cost, how a little enterprise can enter in the market ?
Okay, today we need to enter in the market for our goals about net neutrality, and we don't have much money to spend it into /dev/null so we ask you how we can provide Internet access via local loop at a reasonable price ? Which of you, if you have a copper/fiber collect interconnexion with Swisscom, would be interested to cooperate with us for some DSL/fiber lines ?
We would be happy to read you in private at info@swissneutral.net for your proposition/partnership and to reply to your message. And of course it's very interesting to discuss here about solutions, tips and idea about access to local loop.
I'm happy to meet you in a future event, i cannot be present tomorrow at SwiNOG #35 in Berne.
Best regards
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Florian Siegenthaler