Dear all,
As per SwiNOG Organisation board decision, a new mailing list has been opened, swinog-jobs@lists.swinog.ch
Topics are:
- Jobs offering - Jobs seeking - Discussions about the job market
At least one company, Oprandi & Partner, will be pushing "SwiNOG relevant" job offers.
SwiNOG Relevant = Networking, Programming (WebDev is here too), System Administration and Helpdesk (starting at 2nd level helpdesk).
Rules:
- swinog@: Jobs topics will no more be tolerated on the main list (no sanctions are planned for trespassers, feel free to self-regulate this by pointing the jobs list to the trespassers :P) - swinog-jobs@: No archive of the list. - swinog-jobs@: Member list is strictly private (to ensure no email harvesting will be done). - swinog-jobs@: No "huge" postings, offers must be linked (max email size = 40kb) - swinog-jobs@: accepted-languages: en, de, fr, it; prefered-language: en;\n\n
If you're interested in the new list (it doesn't matter if you're looking for a jobs or not, you might just be interested to know what's going on), please subscribe here:
--> http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog-jobs <--
See you, Pascal
We have a SwiNOG list for anti-spam, for lawful interception and now for jobs...? What's next? Lists for hardware offerings, IPv6, events...?
I'm a little concerned, that we'll lose overview. Care to explain, why the board thinks, that this is necessary? A job offer once in a while doesn't hurt. SwiNOG is not a very noisy list IMHO.
Kind regards, Viktor
On 22.08.2011 13:35, Pascal Gloor wrote:
Dear all,
As per SwiNOG Organisation board decision, a new mailing list has been opened, swinog-jobs@lists.swinog.ch mailto:swinog-jobs@swinog.ch
Topics are:
- Jobs offering
- Jobs seeking
- Discussions about the job market
At least one company, Oprandi & Partner, will be pushing "SwiNOG relevant" job offers.
SwiNOG Relevant = Networking, Programming (WebDev is here too), System Administration and Helpdesk (starting at 2nd level helpdesk).
Rules:
- swinog@: Jobs topics will no more be tolerated on the main list (no
sanctions are planned for trespassers, feel free to self-regulate this by pointing the jobs list to the trespassers :P)
- swinog-jobs@: No archive of the list.
- swinog-jobs@: Member list is strictly private (to ensure no email
harvesting will be done).
- swinog-jobs@: No "huge" postings, offers must be linked (max email
size = 40kb)
- swinog-jobs@: accepted-languages: en, de, fr, it; prefered-language:
en;\n\n
If you're interested in the new list (it doesn't matter if you're looking for a jobs or not, you might just be interested to know what's going on), please subscribe here:
*--> http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog-jobs <--*
See you, Pascal
swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
well a list doesn't cost anything. I think as well a software developer doesn't like his inbox filled up with law or ciso tips but maybe is interessted to job offers .. and some Tie addicted managers maybe like to offer jobs without read tech messages ;) i would say its a enrichment to have that list.
Roger
Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:24:43 +0200 From: Viktor Steinmann stony@stony.com To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] New list for jobs
We have a SwiNOG list for anti-spam, for lawful interception and now for jobs...? What's next? Lists for hardware offerings, IPv6, events...?
I'm a little concerned, that we'll lose overview. Care to explain, why the board thinks, that this is necessary? A job offer once in a while doesn't hurt. SwiNOG is not a very noisy list IMHO.
Kind regards, Viktor
On 22.08.2011 13:35, Pascal Gloor wrote: Dear all,
As per SwiNOG Organisation board decision, a new mailing list has been opened, swinog-jobs@lists.swinog.ch
Topics are:
- Jobs offering - Jobs seeking - Discussions about the job market
At least one company, Oprandi & Partner, will be pushing "SwiNOG relevant" job offers.
SwiNOG Relevant = Networking, Programming (WebDev is here too), System Administration and Helpdesk (starting at 2nd level helpdesk).
Rules:
- swinog@:Jobs topics will no more be tolerated on the main list(no sanctions are planned for trespassers, feel free to self-regulate this by pointing the jobs list to the trespassers :P) - swinog-jobs@:No archive of the list. - swinog-jobs@:Member list is strictly private (to ensure no email harvesting will be done). - swinog-jobs@: No "huge" postings, offers must be linked (max email size = 40kb) - swinog-jobs@: accepted-languages: en, de, fr, it; prefered-language: en;\n\n
If you're interested in the new list (it doesn't matter if you're looking for a jobs or not, you might just be interested to know what's going on), please subscribe here:
--> http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog-jobs<--
See you, Pascal
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roger@mgz.ch wrote:
well a list doesn't cost anything. I think as well a software developer doesn't like his inbox filled up with law or ciso tips but maybe is interessted to job offers .. and some Tie addicted managers maybe like to offer jobs without read tech messages ;) i would say its a enrichment to have that list.
Lists may be cheap, but that is irrelevant. I second Viktors view - splitting the group too much only splits/destroys the group. Besides, a software developer who does not know how to filter SwiNOG mail into a separate folder, well ... :-)
as far as I can recall, there were like 20 job-related messages in the past 12 months. So, what's the point in segregation?
Also such a list without archives is quite useless for both parties, employers and employees.
From: Pascal Gloor pascal.gloor@spale.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 1:35 PM Subject: [swinog] New list for jobs
Dear all,
As per SwiNOG Organisation board decision, a new mailing list has been opened, swinog-jobs@lists.swinog.ch
Topics are:
- Jobs offering
- Jobs seeking
- Discussions about the job market
At least one company, Oprandi & Partner, will be pushing "SwiNOG relevant" job offers.
SwiNOG Relevant = Networking, Programming (WebDev is here too), System Administration and Helpdesk (starting at 2nd level helpdesk).
Rules:
- swinog@: Jobs topics will no more be tolerated on the main list (no sanctions are planned for trespassers, feel free to self-regulate this by pointing the jobs list to the trespassers :P)
- swinog-jobs@: No archive of the list.
- swinog-jobs@: Member list is strictly private (to ensure no email harvesting will be done).
- swinog-jobs@: No "huge" postings, offers must be linked (max email size = 40kb)
- swinog-jobs@: accepted-languages: en, de, fr, it; prefered-language: en;\n\n
If you're interested in the new list (it doesn't matter if you're looking for a jobs or not, you might just be interested to know what's going on), please subscribe here:
--> http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog-jobs <--
See you, Pascal
swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
To answer some little unhappyness from Viktor, Per and Stanislav,
It is to allow more offers to be posted, especially from job-agencies. We have done this because we were asked by an agency to regularly post on the general list and we refused. If it's useless, we'll delete the list, we have done this in the past. And as for the "prohibition" to post offers here, nobody will ever complain if an ISP posts a job offer for himself but I definitely don't want to see agencies mass-posting here.
Cheers, Pascal
well, that's a different story.
They simply want a free service instead of paying this: http://www.jobserve.com/Recruiter/JobCreditsSelect.aspx
so, you can simply say no :)
From: Pascal Gloor pascal.gloor@spale.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] New list for jobs
To answer some little unhappyness from Viktor, Per and Stanislav,
It is to allow more offers to be posted, especially from job-agencies. We have done this because we were asked by an agency to regularly post on the general list and we refused. If it's useless, we'll delete the list, we have done this in the past. And as for the "prohibition" to post offers here, nobody will ever complain if an ISP posts a job offer for himself but I definitely don't want to see agencies mass-posting here.
Cheers, Pascal
on 22.08.2011 22:52 Pascal Gloor wrote:
To answer some little unhappyness from Viktor, Per and Stanislav,
It is to allow more offers to be posted, especially from job-agencies. We have done this because we were asked by an agency to regularly post on the general list and we refused. If it's useless, we'll delete the list, we have done this in the past. And as for the "prohibition" to post offers here, nobody will ever complain if an ISP posts a job offer for himself but I definitely don't want to see agencies mass-posting here.
I also do not want to see SPAM mails on the job's list, i.e. offers posted from head-hunters, job-agencies, you-name-them.
But maybe I'm the only one ...
B est regards, Arnold
Pascal Gloor wrote:
To answer some little unhappyness from Viktor, Per and Stanislav,
It is to allow more offers to be posted, especially from job-agencies. We have done this because we were asked by an agency to regularly post on the general list and we refused.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Perhaps the list would have been better named "jobads" :-)
Am 23.08.2011 08:20, schrieb Per Jessen:
To answer some little unhappyness from Viktor, Per and Stanislav,
It is to allow more offers to be posted, especially from job-agencies. We have done this because we were asked by an agency to regularly post on the general list and we refused.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Perhaps the list would have been better named "jobads" :-)
The community should decide. If noone would subscribe to swinog-jobs, it simply would die again. But it seems that quite a big chunk of the community is interested in job advertising. As of now 72 subscribers are registered at swinog-jobs. For comparison: swinog has 917 subscribers.
F.
You're basically spending your time to provide a free service for what recruiters are used to pay. Those who need a new job will anyway search at the job sites.
On the other hand, here's an example of a free job ad service: http://jobs.perl.org/ but it's a bit different from a mailing list with disabled archiving ;)
From: Fredy Kuenzler kuenzler@init7.net To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [swinog] New list for jobs
Am 23.08.2011 08:20, schrieb Per Jessen:
To answer some little unhappyness from Viktor, Per and Stanislav,
It is to allow more offers to be posted, especially from job-agencies. We have done this because we were asked by an agency to regularly post on the general list and we refused.
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Perhaps the list would have been better named "jobads" :-)
The community should decide. If noone would subscribe to swinog-jobs, it simply would die again. But it seems that quite a big chunk of the community is interested in job advertising. As of now 72 subscribers are registered at swinog-jobs. For comparison: swinog has 917 subscribers.
F.
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