8 Oct
2008
8 Oct
'08
1:17 p.m.
From: Andre Timmermann
<andre.timmermann(a)nine.ch>
Am Mittwoch, den 08.10.2008, 03:55 -0700 schrieb
Stanislav Sinyagin:
nope, it's the other thing: If I need to hide something, I use the right tools :)
so, if I go once and buy 1000 paper knives, I will not pay by my plastic card
and won't use any Supercard or Cumulus :-)
yes, Venty, everyone wants to know what you talk
about in your
private communications.
Yihaaa, the *****ng "I don't have anything to hide"-statement. 
8 Oct
8 Oct
2:23 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they had elections,
people could use the polling booth to mark the ballot paper in privacy.
But most people choose not to - it looked too much as if they had
something to hide and might want to vote with "No" (GDR was "famous for
99.9%" results.
What people don't seem to "get" is that privacy is something you've got
to maintain while you don't really need it - because if you let it erode
to the point that it no longer exists, it's too late and you can't
reclaim it without large and painful sacrifices.
Rainer
From: Andre
Timmermann <andre.timmermann(a)nine.ch>
Am Mittwoch, den 08.10.2008, 03:55 -0700 schrieb
Stanislav Sinyagin:
nope, it's the other thing: If I need to hide something, I use the right tools :)
so, if I go once and buy 1000 paper knives, I will not pay by my plastic card
and won't use any Supercard or Cumulus :-)
yes, Venty, everyone wants to know what you talk
about in your
private communications.
Yihaaa, the *****ng "I don't have anything to
hide"-statement.
2:49 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
You're right!
Some (!) paranoia is not too bad.
Cheers
Günti
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From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of
Rainer Duffner] IRC Server dead ?
<SNIP
Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they had elections, people could use the
polling booth to mark the ballot paper in privacy.
But most people choose not to - it looked too much as if they had something to hide and
might want to vote with "No" (GDR was "famous for 99.9%" results.
What people don't seem to "get" is that privacy is something you've got
to maintain while you don't really need it - because if you let it erode to the point
that it no longer exists, it's too late and you can't reclaim it without large and
painful sacrifices.
Rainer
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9 Oct
9 Oct
9:53 a.m.
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Rainer Duffner <rainer(a)ultra-secure.de> wrote:
Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they
had elections,
people could use the polling booth to mark the ballot paper in privacy.
But most people choose not to - it looked too much as if they had
something to hide and might want to vote with "No" (GDR was "famous for
99.9%" results.
That's a very good example. Do you have a reference to a quotable
source on this? (German or English is fine.)
Greetings,
Norbert
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Norbert Bollow
President, Swiss Internet User Group (SIUG)
9:57 a.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
See:
Page 216 note 110
Dresden: Paradoxes of Memory in History
By Elizabeth A. Ten Dyke
Published by Routledge, 2001
ISBN 0415270367, 9780415270366
Regards,
Michael
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From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch
[mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Norbert Bollow
Sent: 09 October 2008 09:53
To: swinog(a)swinog.ch
Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Rainer Duffner <rainer(a)ultra-secure.de> wrote:
Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they
had elections,
people could use the polling booth to mark the ballot paper in
privacy.
But most people choose not to - it looked too much as
if they had
something to hide and might want to vote with "No" (GDR was "famous
for
99.9%" results.
That's a very good example. Do you have a reference to a quotable
source on this? (German or English is fine.)
Greetings,
Norbert
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President, Swiss Internet User Group (SIUG)
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8 Oct
8 Oct
4:21 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
Salut, Stanislav,
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:17:13 -0700 (PDT), Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
nope, it's the other thing: If I need to hide
something, I use the
right tools :)
so, if I go once and buy 1000 paper knives, I will not pay by my
plastic card and won't use any Supercard or Cumulus :-)
Thing is, you never know what you should have hidden last summer.
Austria was once already this close to getting Haider into their
government. Now imagine him as the minister of the Interior, sitting on
all the data. And now it's not too unlikely to happen, again.
The laws of data protection define a necessity of "Datensparsamkeit".
Under any possible condition, this is a code of practice which does not
harm but it does help you a lot in some situations. The fact that
people exercising this code of practice are already regraded as
suspects should not prevent us from following it.
Tonnerre
5:10 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
SwiNOG is for Network Operator discussions and nothing else. The last few
days have irritated me. Please keep such silly discussions off the email
list.
11:31 p.m.
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Salut, Chris,
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:10:13 +0200, Chris Gravell wrote:
SwiNOG is for Network Operator discussions and nothing
else. The last
few days have irritated me. Please keep such silly discussions off
the email list.
While I agree that Skype and Open vs. Closed source is off-topic (hi
ylz), I think data protection is not really. But maybe that time is
over too.
Tonnerre
11:48 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
at least it prooved the ML is still alive, and not so slow as some mentioned ;-
)
we got 3 days nanog feeling, who cares ?
if someone like an idling list.. we maybe could create idle(a)swinog.ch, and
to make shure there is no accidentaly traffic setting this list to moderated
this would be even helpfull for all the autoresponder fan's
Roger
Roger
Salut, Chris,
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:10:13 +0200, Chris Gravell wrote:
SwiNOG is for Network Operator discussions and
nothing else. The last
few days have irritated me. Please keep such silly discussions off
the email list.
While I agree that Skype and Open vs. Closed source is off-topic (hi
ylz), I think data protection is not really. But maybe that time is
over too.
Tonnerre
10 Oct
10 Oct
5:16 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
Tonnerre Lombard wrote:
Salut, Chris,
On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:10:13 +0200, Chris Gravell wrote:
I've to say that I really enjoyed reading all the posts... If I'm right
I was the one igniting these "red hot flames" about open vs. closed
source. I'm sorry for that :-)
though I'm the opinion that anyone of us need to think about data
protection, security, etc... so the posts might be not that useless as
it seems for some list members :)
I wish you all a nice and relaxed weekend
bests
Marco
SwiNOG is for Network Operator discussions and
nothing else. The last
few days have irritated me. Please keep such silly discussions off
the email list.
While I agree that Skype and Open vs. Closed source is off-topic (hi
ylz), I think data protection is not really. But maybe that time is
over too.
Tonnerre
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7:11 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
though I'm the opinion that anyone of us need to
think about data
protection, security, etc... so the posts might be not that useless as
it seems for some list members :)
fully agreed,
and every ISP could be hit once and getting blamed not to take care about
dataprotection ...
Roger
I wish you all a nice and relaxed weekend
bests
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Chris Gravell -
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Michael Krygier -
Norbert Bollow -
Rainer Duffner -
Robert.Guentensperger＠swisscom.com -
roger＠mgz.ch -
Stanislav Sinyagin -
Tonnerre Lombard