Hello Fredy,

Thanks for reply.

you are on the pending request list ...

We never had even an acknowledgement message. One can wonder if the request is gone in the bit bucket :-)

and yes the list is long, I'm afraid. So please be patient (it sometimes takes years to get a peer)...

I can believe that it is not done straight away. However, I am quite sure that even bureaucrat companies can do it quicker than years if their peering policy is not too weird (ok I'm exlcuding a lot of 4 digit ASses :)

Cheers.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:09:03 +0100, Bernd SPIESS Bernd.SPIESS@ascus.at wrote:

i can assure you, you are wrong :-) at vienna vix it takes about one year to have an answer from everbody. it took about 2 years at milano and about 15 rounds of asking to have a yes+session or no from everyone de-cix seems to be the worst - after more than one year we still miss answers from about 80 carriers and are in the 10´th round of asking :-)

I can trust you Bernd. I am not too much surprised about MIX lead times, almost any request take ages, I have lived there for some time.

This being said, here is a tip how to get faster peering: http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/816-Der-charmanteste-Peering-Request... (not to mention, it's Fredy's log :)

Would a pie help Fredy? :)

On 19.11.2009 13:09 Bernd SPIESS wrote

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However, I am quite sure that even bureaucrat companies can do it quicker than years if their peering policy is not too weird (ok I'm exlcuding a lot of 4 digit ASses :)

i can assure you, you are wrong :-) at vienna vix it takes about one year to have an answer from everbody. it took about 2 years at milano and about 15 rounds of asking to have a yes+session or no from everyone de-cix seems to be the worst - after more than one year we still miss answers from about 80 carriers and are in the 10´th round of asking :-)

don't you think that this is somewhat related to the number of members connected to an exchange? Hence time/#members would be more interesting.

Imho this also is a strong argument for using routeservers. You will be up to speed immediately! And then there are members you never ever will get peering with!

Arnold

Hey Arnold,

Maybe reading, understanding and acting along http://www.denog.de/pdf/004-Tremmel-Attractive_for_Peering.pdf does help ;-)

Some advices are good, other are senseless to me.

By the way, that comes straight from DECIX people. Remind me that is DECIX? ;) That would be silly if they wouldn't try to sell their services undirectly in some ways... To me it sounds a but like would if it would be some brand of class clothes saying "dress well to sign better contracts" ads.

Best regards, Arnold

NB: nothing sneaky to catch from my reply ;)

Cheers.

Alex

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:42:32 +0100, Per Jessen per.jessen@enidan.ch wrote:

"dress well to sign better contracts" - it's not bad advice.

/Per

Per, I agree. But I was using this as metaphor that obviously a very expensive brand will tell you to buy their clothes to do it better just as a brand of car would tell you their cars are betters than other and will get you further. You don't need to buy the most expensive clothes - that's what I meant. From them it cannot be considered as "neutral" opinion.

Cheers.

Alex

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:00:30 +0100, Arnold Nipper arnold@nipper.de wrote:

I did reply to this just for "fun" and nothing else.

Iirc Wolfgang's presentation does not say that you you have to buy DE-CIX services, neither does it say that you have to peer with everyone. Doesn't it?

I am not saying anything of this kind. Probably I did not express myself accurately. My fault.

Or did you only want to say that DE-CIX is expensive? Which is also not true. Arnold

I am also not saying this. I do not want to comment their prices. Just keep in mind that it's a commercial company which aims at making money out of this business (at least with a honourable purpose).

I will turn green for now and save cooling, bandwidth, diskspace and power and leave SwiNOGers rest for the weekend :-)

Cheers.

Alex

Am 23.11.2009 um 00:15 schrieb Charles Buckley:

Ultimately the problem was remedied, but I'd like to know, is there anyway of contacting Cablecom whereby the assumption is other than that the person reporting the problem is a clueless moron? I'd prefer not to have to wait until someone discovers this by happenstance.

Hello Charles, they have a really nice web-form to be found by clicking through https://service.cablecom.ch:443/scp-webapp/consumer.portal?_nfpb=true&_p...

And the level of clue has sky-rocketed since the last time I've had to deal with them (and that was two years ago), now they are asking the right questions, so you can pin-point issues after the first or second mail exchange.

However in your case, you might run into a road-block. I complained, that they were routing some streaming servers in Europe over an over-full port in New York, and the response in the end was:

"Die Firma Cablecom ist ein Tochterunternehmen von Lyberty Global, welche Ihren Sitz in den USA hat. Die interne und externe netzwerktechnische Infrastruktur lässt eine Änderung der Hop Standorte und Vernetzung zur Zeit nicht zu."

I'm not sure if that is a lack of clue, or a sign of large network providers with complex internal hierarchies.

Cheers, -daniel