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Energie Wasser Bern Telecom is hiring
by Hofer Ruedi 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

Dear all Energie Wasser Bern (ewb) Telecom is hiring a project manager for our darkfiber backbone. For further details visit this link: http://www.jobs.ch/inserate-detail/Information-technology-Telecom/Projec t-management/Projektleiter-in-Telekommunikation--/Energie-Wasser-Bern/Be rn/1832261/58/1/0 Please send applications to the contact mentioned in the job ad. Regards, Energie Wasser Bern Ruedi Hofer Network Engineer Monbijoustrasse 11, Postfach 3001 Bern

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Network device tester/packet generator
by Aarno Aukia 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

Inspired by a thread on cisco-nsp ( https://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/2008-October/055260.html) I was wondering if there was network device testing/packet generating equipment (be it a Spirent SmartBits or Agilent N2X (thanks for sponsoring Swinog-13)or anything similar) to borrow/for rent in the swinog community ? Until now I've mostly used iperf et al to test equipment - what are your opinions and experiences regarding testing/troubleshooting/benchmarking network equipment ? Best regards (and until next week at Swinog-17), Aarno -- Atrila GmbH Aarno Aukia 0764000464

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JANOG's English Page Updated
by Masaru AKAI 12 Oct '08

12 Oct '08

Dear SwiNOG Colleagues, We have updated JANOG (Japan Network Operators' Group) English wiki page. Recent additions include presentation titles and abstracts for the JANOG22 meeting, which was held July 2008. You can view the contents via the link below. http://www.janog.gr.jp/en/index.php?JANOG22%20Programs For us to bring better content, your comments and feedbacks are greatly appreciated. Regards, Masaru AKAI, for JANOG i18n Team

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 10 Oct '08

10 Oct '08

> From: Andre Timmermann <andre.timmermann(a)nine.ch> > Am Mittwoch, den 08.10.2008, 03:55 -0700 schrieb Stanislav Sinyagin: > > yes, Venty, everyone wants to know what you talk about in your > > private communications. > > Yihaaa, the *****ng "I don't have anything to hide"-statement. nope, it's the other thing: If I need to hide something, I use the right tools :) so, if I go once and buy 1000 paper knives, I will not pay by my plastic card and won't use any Supercard or Cumulus :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Scott Weeks 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

--- roger(a)mgz.ch wrote: at least it prooved the ML is still alive, and not so slow as some mentioned ;-) we got 3 days nanog feeling, who cares ? if someone like an idling list.. we maybe could create idle(a)swinog.ch, and to make shure there is no accidentaly traffic setting this list to moderated this would be even helpfull for all the autoresponder fan's ----------------------------- I enjoyed reading it all. It put a smile on my face several times. One day, I want to do a beer event with you guys, but since it's 12,277 kilometers (7628 miles) there: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distanceresult.html?p1=103&p2=268 It'll probably be a very long time until that happens... ;-) scott

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IRC Server dead ?
by roger＠mgz.ch 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

irc.swinog.ch is not reachable via bluewin irc.subcult.ch telling me after connect checking ident .. found your hostname .. and then stays like that whats happen ? Roger

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Boris Meyer <boris(a)imp.ch> > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM > Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? > > > PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: > http://irc.subcult.ch > > As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX > > is at the moment only reachable by its peers. > > > > We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the > > mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a > > SwissIX-connected ISP ;). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

yes, Venty, everyone wants to know what you talk about in your private communications. don't be silly, just use it as any other public communication platform, be it Gmail or internet forums. If you need to transport sensitive data, use secure channels for it. If you need to communicate to few hundred of your contacts, there's not much alternative, because most of them use skype anyway. ----- Original Message ---- > From: Martin Ebnoether <ventilator(a)semmel.ch> > > > Skype is like MSN Messenger, just another ugly overloaded communication > > > tool. if I have to choose between skype and MSN, it's MSN, because there > > > are a lot of opensource and freeware alternatives to the bad Live > > > Messenger from Microschrott, ah Microsoft... :-) > > > > Well, it might be ugly, but at least it works in almost every situation. > > If it would not, they could not sniff into other peoples private > communications.

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Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing
by julien mabillard 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

There was an interesting project compiling mobile technologies applied in Japan with NetBSD: Nemo[1] [1] http://2007.asiabsdcon.org/papers/P01-paper.pdf --

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open source patch to coop and migros
by Zorg 421 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

I'm very much involved in the scene of goumoens-la-ville (doing theatre) and I must admit I don't write enough patches.The first real pride of mine in this area was fixing, well, not really, almost beeing able to fix a bug in... the linux kernel (waouw, tremendous!). it was about a kernel lockup when booting on some hardware. I've spent one night a one day investing, adding printk, recompiling, rebooting, pressing the reset button. it was in the keyboard driver (rocket science, the keyboard driver). Almost came with a patch (after some guidance from some genuinely nice folks on the LK mailing-list) to notice that when connecting both the mouse and the keyboard, not just the keyboard, the problem was solved (ohhh shit almost became famous). I threw away my patch, plugged the mouse, swallowed my pride, and, well, life is not too bad like this either.

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Migros and coop privacy violence
by roger＠mgz.ch 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

> On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered: > > Hi. > > > going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing > > stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard > > for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might > > buy from them :-) well would be not surprised when in a DB scan they recognizing you as single buying so much .. they think your making business with it, and noticing the tax department. or like a neighbour .. he got sued to throw liter in ilegal bags .. because they verifyed the list of items he was buying .. found a receipt with his name .. and they got him .. but as the letter arrived he was just back from holiday, and all the items where still in his house but they didnt accept that > Well... > Actually, the Supercard (and the Cumulus as well) are quite easy > to "exploit" and throw a monkey wrench up Coops and Migros > database. > > I have both cards but I share them with my parents. That is one > thing, one can do, share the card. > > Then, I don't have the card with me all of the time. (In fact I > do have them with me, but oh well...). In that case, if the > grandma before or after me has a card, I just ask her if she > wants my Cumulus points on her account. Sure they do, classical > win-win situation. She is happy, Migros database is confused > (what does the 90 year old lady buys beer, CD-Rs and condoms > for?) and the clerk won't mind anyway. > > This also works the other way. If someone at the checkout does > not have a card, why not ask them, if you can have their points > on your account? Just ask nicely, most people without a card > won't mind. Another win-win situation here. > > For your listening pleasure, download the Privacy song: > http://three-dead-trolls-in-a-baggie-the-privac-mp3-download.kohit.net/_/61… > > CU, Venty > > -- > What we're planning here is World Domination! > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > --- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht / End of forwarded message ---

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

> From: Martin Ebnoether <ventilator(a)semmel.ch> > All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows > update of some thousand computers. > > Remember last summer? > http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819 hey Venty, long time no see :) if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :) If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Scott Weeks 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

I can't resist. "...if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that..." Only from the unknowledgeable that don't control Javascript (NoScript), flash (etc.), cookies or 'stuff'. Therefore, you have skewed stats. "...There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them..." Yes, there is. scott -----------------------

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Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Marc, the goal is not to build it from commodity parts, but to learn how to build such systems in general :) >From scratch, starting with custom kernel build, then tailored busybox, then web management and stuff... that's what I call open source: working with the source :-) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Marc SCHAEFER <schaefer(a)alphanet.ch> > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:56:06 PM > Subject: Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 04:50:34AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > > My first mini-project is to build a small Wifi (or even Bluetooth?) > > hotspot (only for home use, of course) which would take its Internet feed > > from one of those mobile USB GPS modems that you get for few francs a month > > from Swisscom or Sunrise. > > It is quite easy to do with the WL-500g WiFi access point, which has the > advantage of > > a) being compatible with standard systems (e.g. DD-WRT GNU/Linux) > > b) having an USB port you can plug the Swisscom Unlimited dongle > inside (the one which pretends to be a CD-ROM, uh, a tty) > > I think it costs about 120.-. I have done it, and it works (routing the > Swisscom Unlimited net to the internal switch, not the WiFi, in my case) > > PS: the discussion on OSS gets annoying. Use whatever tool you find > appropriate, as long as you can fix it when required. > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

ok guys, now some real stuff :) I've got one of these boards http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4514239441.html in order to practice my skills in embedded linux applications. My first mini-project is to build a small Wifi (or even Bluetooth?) hotspot (only for home use, of course) which would take its Internet feed from one of those mobile USB GPS modems that you get for few francs a month from Swisscom or Sunrise. any ideas what else could be an interesting project? Or probably you have a real project in mind? cheers, stan

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Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

----- Original Message ---- > From: Bernard Dugas <bernard.dugas(a)is-production.com> > I was answering to "ideas" question, no sponsoring question :-) what you described is actually a) quite expensive to build. I would estimate the development work as few hundred thousand euro, if not more -- if we're talking of a consumer-ready product, not just a bunch of sources everyone is free to compile at his own risk :) b) is what the car manufacturers should sponsor, as it's them who is interested in selling more cars with luxury options like you've mentioned :)

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Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Bernard, this one looks really nice. If you've got the sponsoring, then I'm in :) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bernard Dugas <bernard.dugas(a)is-production.com> > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 2:18:29 PM > Subject: Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing > > Hello, > > Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > > any ideas what else could be an interesting project? Or probably you have a > > real project in mind? > > What about : > - a device that would be installed in cars , > - to build a mesh wifi 2.45GHz between cars, > - and a 5.4GHz to some external relays when available, > - to allow for transmission between cars of : > . fast alarm (strong acceleration/deccelaration) ; > . relative positionning ; > . voip diffusion to close cars ; > . engine technical parameters (for maintenance) ; > - and dynamic internet relaying to closer external relays ; > - available with open source (Linux+bsd). > > ? > > Best regards, > -- > __Bernard DUGAS _________________________________________________ > | IS Production s.a. Innovative Solutions Production | > | Technoparc Pays de Gex bernard.dugas(a)is-production.com | > | 30 Rue Auguste Piccard Mob.: +33 615 333 770 | > | 01630 St Genis Pouilly - FRANCE - Fax : +33 450 205 106 | > |_________________________________________________________________| > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

> > why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? > > Will that work with my <enter your chosen OS here>? well, almost :) http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/ > > I think more people on this list have skype than IRC > > client software (me, for example :-) > > It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for > pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. > Reason enough? ;) almost anyone uses skype anyway, so why bother :) Roger>> IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link... show me a satellite link in Switzerland :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

> I've never used a satellite link before.... haha :D but why use skype > with it's big overhead when you just need to exchange some plain text > information...? actually I use skype mostly for text chatting, and it works great :) I know some small businesses where skype is the primary way of communication, and they even publish it on their contacts webpage instead of phone numbers :-) Regarding the security -- you just don't have to use public channels for secure information. Your brain is your best firewall :-) so, I don't care much about an closed-source application which works for 99% of my needs (although I do prefer open source software at the server side :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

it was about chat (plain text chat), not a conference call :-) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tonnerre Lombard <tonnerre(a)bsdprojects.net> > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 12:13:36 AM > Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? > > Salut, Stanislav, > > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > > why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? > > Why do you want to hear us snore? > > Tonnerre

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter Keel <seegras(a)discordia.ch> > ... déformation professionelle... so where's your PGP signature? :-)

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Open Job Position: Network Engineer @ Swisscom
by Steven.Glogger＠swisscom.com 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

hi all we've got a open job position (for those interested). http://www.swisscom.com/jobs -> search for NIT-50311370 greetings -steven Swisscom ist schweizweit präsent mit allen Dienstleistungen und Produkten für mobile, netzgebundene und IP-basierte Sprach- und Datenkommunikation. Das Vertrauen unserer Kunden ist das wichtigste Kapital und die Grundlage unseres Erfolgs. Deshalb suchen wir Mitarbeitende, die jeden Tag aufs Neue Kundenerlebnisse schaffen. Wenn Sie belastbar, kommunikativ und teamfähig sind, sowie zielorientiert Arbeiten, so sind die ersten Voraussetzungen bereits gegeben, dass Sie die Persönlichkeit sind, welche wir zur Unterstützung und den Betrieb des ISP Netzwerks für den KMU Bereich suchen. Network Engineer (m/w, 100%, Arbeitsort: Zürich ZH, Ref.-Nr. NIT-50311370) Ihre Aufgaben * Installation und Überwachung von Netzwerken * Entstörung und Troubleshooting, sowie Konzeption, Umsetzung und Unterhalt von kundenspezifischen MPLS-VPN-Lösungen * Planung und Prüfung von Konfigurationen * Installation und Installationsbetreuung, sowie Planung und Realisierung technischer Modifikationen * Unterhalt, Erweiterung und Dokumentation des Backbone-, Broadband-Connectivity-Services und MPLS-Netzes * 2nd and 3rd Level Support (Advanced Troubleshooting) * 24x7 Pikettdienst Sie bieten * Abgeschlossenes Studium entweder in Informatik, Nachrichtentechnik oder Elektrotechnik bzw. gleichwertige Ausbildung oder mindestens 5 - 10 Jahre Berufserfahrung im Professionellen ISP-Umfeld * Gute und tiefgehende technische Erfahrungen in den folgenden Bereichen: ADSL, SDSL, VDSL2 und Ethernet Technologien * Fundiertes Wissen im Bereich Cisco Router/Switches (CCNP Level) * Gute Kenntnisse in den Bereichen MPLS sowie Routing Protokolle (BGP, OSPF), Switching, CWDM und Security/ Firewalling (IPSec, VPN) * Praxis im Netzwerkmanagement (Radius, DNS, Monitoring, usw.) * Optional : Unix/Linux Erfahrung (RedHat, Free BSD) * Gutes Verständnis für komplexe Prozesse und Umgebungen * Gute Deutsch- und Englischkenntnisse in Wort und Schrift Wir bieten * Neue interessante Herausforderungen mit leistungsrechter Bezahlung * Ein motiviertes und dynamisches Team * Ein spannendes Marktumfeld mit viel Potenzial für weiteres Wachstum * Attraktives und professionelles Arbeitsumfeld, flexible Arbeitszeitmodelle * Gute Weiterbildungsmöglichkeiten, sowie weitere interessante Benefits Wenn Ihre Stärken darüber hinaus in Ihrem analytischen Denken und Ihrer ausgeprägten Lösungs- und Kundenorientierung liegen, dann sind die Anforderungen erfüllt, um diese Herausforderung zu meistern. Wir freuen uns auf Ihre vollständige Bewerbung (inkl. Zeugnisse und Diplome), direkt online unter www.swisscom.com/jobs mit Angabe der Referenznummer NIT-50311370. Für Vorabklärungen steht Ihnen Herr Armin Jungo unter der Nummer 0800 800 144 gerne zur Verfügung. (Please note that good command of German is required.)

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SwiNOG-BE66 - Beer Event 66 - 6nd of October 2008 @ Outback / ZH
by Steven.Glogger＠swisscom.com 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

hi everybody soon is the next beer event ,-) the facts for the next event: ----------------------------- Date: 6nd of October 2008 Time: starting around 18.30 o'clock Location: @ the "Outback" Bahnhof Stadelhofen Registration deadline: 04.10.2008 18:00:00 (Saturday) Registration: ------------- Please register here: http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ since we have to make reservations, i need to know who's coming and who not. If you cannot attend and you're registered please inform me asap. if you cannot find us: call me on my mobile: +41 79 277 92 35. greetings -steven

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SwiNOG-BE66 - Beer Event 66 - 6nd of October 2008 @ Outback / ZH
by Steven Glogger 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

hi everybody soon is the next beer event ,-) the facts for the next event: ----------------------------- Date: 6nd of October 2008 Time: starting around 18.30 o'clock Location: @ the "Outback" Bahnhof Stadelhofen Registration deadline: 04.10.2008 18:00:00 (Saturday) Registration: ------------- Please register here: http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ since we have to make reservations, i need to know who's coming and who not. If you cannot attend and you're registered please inform me asap. if you cannot find us: call me on my mobile: +41 79 277 92 35. greetings -steven

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Check out my Facebook profile
by Roman Gischig 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Roman Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=725997719&k=YXGYXWQXP55M5GEBWB35WS&r&v=2 ___________________ This e-mail may contain promotional materials. If you do not wish to receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, please click on the link below. Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?u=1512603267&k=6810e1

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