7 Oct
2008
7 Oct
'08
9:26 a.m.
From: Martin Ebnoether <ventilator(a)semmel.ch>
All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic
windows
update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer?
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds
of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :)
If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not
going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing
stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard
for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might
buy from them :-)
7 Oct
7 Oct
10:13 a.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
Well, you maybe - I don't ;-)
But then, I also didn't use Windows in 2003, either...
Nowadays, the viruses don't knock down the Windows-boxes, they just use
them as Spam-Zombies or attack-drones or whatever the people that rent
them want to use them for.
From: Martin
Ebnoether <ventilator(a)semmel.ch>
All that is needed to take Skype down is an
automatic windows
update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer?
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds
of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :)
If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care
if it's open source - I'm not
going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing
stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard
for example).
I don't have any of those, either.
There's nothing bad about companies knowing
better what I might
buy from them :-)
I think you are oversimplifying and trivializing what these databases
can be used for.
Nowadays, these giant databases of consumer buying-behavior are probably
also used to find potential terrorists.
"Who bought box-cutters and what did they buy with them?"
"Who bought box-cutters only?"
"Who bought the other items alone that the people buying box-cutters and
other items bought?"
It's hilarious, but that's how some people actually believe the war
against terror can be won.
Also, I think you should do some reading regarding the Skype application.
I think that if it wasn't for its widespread use, most AV-programs would
consider it "malware".
The executable itself is packed and encrypted and actively tries to
avoid debugging/reverse-engineering by in-memory debuggers.
The communication itself is encrypted with an unknown encryption-method.
And of course, yes, no source code is available (for the general public).
I did sign up for an account and used it for a few times - but just
because I didn't have time to setup my own Jabber server and experiment
with iChat ;-)
I've got a _very_ bad feeling using this app - it's just scary.
Rainer
12:18 p.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
so .. we have to be carefull what we buy ..
more difficult than buy something 1938 .. where you could be sued for
buying electronic parts which could enable you to hear other Radio
programms than "göbbels-schnauze"
never buy more than one cutter-knive at one time, or you could be a possi
ble suspect for mass-murdering ...lol
Roger
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
Well, you maybe - I don't ;-)
But then, I also didn't use Windows in 2003, either...
Nowadays, the viruses don't knock down the Windows-boxes, they just use
them as Spam-Zombies or attack-drones or whatever the people that rent
them want to use them for.
From:
Martin Ebnoether <ventilator(a)semmel.ch>
All that is needed to take Skype down is an
automatic windows
update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer?
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds
of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :)
If the tool serves my needs, I don't really
care if it's open source - I'm not
going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing
stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard
for example).
I don't have any of those, either.
There's nothing bad about companies knowing
better what I might
buy from them :-)
I think you are oversimplifying and trivializing what these databases
can be used for.
Nowadays, these giant databases of consumer buying-behavior are probably
also used to find potential terrorists.
"Who bought box-cutters and what did they buy with them?"
"Who bought box-cutters only?"
"Who bought the other items alone that the people buying box-cutters and
other items bought?"
It's hilarious, but that's how some people actually believe the war
against terror can be won.
Also, I think you should do some reading regarding the Skype application.
I think that if it wasn't for its widespread use, most AV-programs would
consider it "malware".
The executable itself is packed and encrypted and actively tries to
avoid debugging/reverse-engineering by in-memory debuggers.
The communication itself is encrypted with an unknown encryption-method.
And of course, yes, no source code is available (for the general public).
I did sign up for an account and used it for a few times - but just
because I didn't have time to setup my own Jabber server and experiment
with iChat ;-)
I've got a _very_ bad feeling using this app - it's just scary.
Rainer
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11 a.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered:
Hoi Stan!
Well, I'm typing on a Mac at the office, using SSH to connect to
a NetBSD box at home. =:-) My last Windows installation is a
Windows 2000, which is slowly falling apart.
All that is
needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows
update of some thousand computers.
Remember last summer?
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819
hey Venty, long time no see :)
if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds
of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :) If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care
if it's open source - I'm not
going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing
stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard
for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might
buy from them :-)
Well, yes, if it serves the purpose, sure. Though if the
company/product has a bad reputation in terms of security and
spying on the user, I do think twice about using it. Skype is
one of these companies/products actually. As said before, I use
Skype at most with the PSPs built-in client which can do phone
calls and thats it. I'm not much online there though.
CU, Venty
--
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11:10 a.m.
New subject: IRC Server dead ?
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered:
Hi.
going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if
it collects any marketing
stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard
for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might
buy from them :-)
Well...
Actually, the Supercard (and the Cumulus as well) are quite easy
to "exploit" and throw a monkey wrench up Coops and Migros
database.
I have both cards but I share them with my parents. That is one
thing, one can do, share the card.
Then, I don't have the card with me all of the time. (In fact I
do have them with me, but oh well...). In that case, if the
grandma before or after me has a card, I just ask her if she
wants my Cumulus points on her account. Sure they do, classical
win-win situation. She is happy, Migros database is confused
(what does the 90 year old lady buys beer, CD-Rs and condoms
for?) and the clerk won't mind anyway.
This also works the other way. If someone at the checkout does
not have a card, why not ask them, if you can have their points
on your account? Just ask nicely, most people without a card
won't mind. Another win-win situation here.
For your listening pleasure, download the Privacy song:
http://three-dead-trolls-in-a-baggie-the-privac-mp3-download.kohit.net/_/61…
CU, Venty
--
What we're planning here is World Domination!
9:07 p.m.
New subject: Migros and coop privacy violence
On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700,
Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered:
Hi.
> going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing
> stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard
> for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might
> buy from them :-)
well would be not surprised when in a DB scan they
recognizing you as
single buying so much .. they think your making business with it, and
noticing the tax department.
or like a neighbour .. he got sued to throw liter in ilegal bags .. because they
verifyed the list of items he was buying .. found a receipt with his name ..
and they got him .. but as the letter arrived he was just back from holiday,
and all the items where still in his house
but they didnt accept that
Well...
Actually, the Supercard (and the Cumulus as well) are quite easy
to "exploit" and throw a monkey wrench up Coops and Migros
database.
I have both cards but I share them with my parents. That is one
thing, one can do, share the card.
Then, I don't have the card with me all of the time. (In fact I
do have them with me, but oh well...). In that case, if the
grandma before or after me has a card, I just ask her if she
wants my Cumulus points on her account. Sure they do, classical
win-win situation. She is happy, Migros database is confused
(what does the 90 year old lady buys beer, CD-Rs and condoms
for?) and the clerk won't mind anyway.
This also works the other way. If someone at the checkout does
not have a card, why not ask them, if you can have their points
on your account? Just ask nicely, most people without a card
won't mind. Another win-win situation here.
For your listening pleasure, download the Privacy song:
http://three-dead-trolls-in-a-baggie-the-privac-mp3-download.kohit.net/_/61…
CU, Venty
--
What we're planning here is World Domination!
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