17 Feb
2005
17 Feb
'05
7:53 a.m.
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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Wer kann mir bei Bluewin helfe, dass sie von der SpamCop und Spamhaus
Liste kommen ? Bluewin Kunden werden vom Bluewin Support falsch
Informiert oder angelogen, das Bluewin keine Probleme hat mit Spam
und das in unserem Fall Genotec der übeltäter ist.
Wenn aber ein Mail solche Informationen enthalten sollte der Bluewin
Support etwas besser Informieren können vorallem wenn das seid einer
Woche der Fall ist siehe SwiNOG Post.
SpamCop
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.61] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.61
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.62] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.62
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.63] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.63
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.64] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.64
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.65] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.65
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.66] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.66
Spamhaus
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.64] blocked using sbl.spamhaus.org, reason:
http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL23877
Anwort die ein User von uns durch ihren Bluewin Support erhalten hat.
Hier die Antwort von Bluewin zur Infformation:
+++++++++
Lösung:
Die Meldung "We do not relay" oder "Serverfehler 554" erscheint, wenn
Sie den Bluewin-Mailserver als Relay (Transit) benützen, d.h., Sie
haben sich nicht über Bluewin eingewählt. Die SMTP-Maileinstellung
(ausgehender Mailserver) lautet aber auf "mail.bluewin.ch" und Sie
senden Mails an eine Nicht-Bluewin-Adresse (xxxx(a)yyyy.zz statt
xxxx(a)bluewin.ch).
Dieses Vorgehen wird "Relaying" genannt und wird von Bluewin nicht
unterstützt. (Dies nicht zuletzt aus dem Grund, dass wir unsere
Kunden vor unerwünschten Massenmails oder "Spam" schützen möchten.)
Um E-Mails versenden zu können, muss die SMTP-Maileinstellung dem
jeweiligen Provider angepasst werden, d.h. Sie müssen den
Postausgangsserver Ihres Providers eintragen.
++++++++++
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Marcel Stutz
Netzwerk & Unix Administrator
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17 Feb
17 Feb
8:21 a.m.
Well,
Check openrbl, and you will see that you are listed on other servers:
http://openrbl.org/ip/195/186/18/61.htm
++
Vincent
Marcel Stutz <marcel.stutz(a)genotec.ch> a écrit :
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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Wer kann mir bei Bluewin helfe, dass sie von der SpamCop und Spamhaus
Liste kommen ? Bluewin Kunden werden vom Bluewin Support falsch
Informiert oder angelogen, das Bluewin keine Probleme hat mit Spam
und das in unserem Fall Genotec der übeltäter ist.
Wenn aber ein Mail solche Informationen enthalten sollte der Bluewin
Support etwas besser Informieren können vorallem wenn das seid einer
Woche der Fall ist siehe SwiNOG Post.
SpamCop
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.61] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.61
9:26 a.m.
Or try this link for other blacklists:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=195.186.18.61
Adrian
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From: "Vincent Magnin" <swinog(a)lx-soft.com>
To: <swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [swinog] Bluewin Server auf SpamCOP und Spamhaus
Well,
Check openrbl, and you will see that you are listed on other servers:
http://openrbl.org/ip/195/186/18/61.htm
++
Vincent
Marcel Stutz <marcel.stutz(a)genotec.ch> a écrit :
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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Wer kann mir bei Bluewin helfe, dass sie von der SpamCop und Spamhaus
Liste kommen ? Bluewin Kunden werden vom Bluewin Support falsch
Informiert oder angelogen, das Bluewin keine Probleme hat mit Spam
und das in unserem Fall Genotec der übeltäter ist.
Wenn aber ein Mail solche Informationen enthalten sollte der Bluewin
Support etwas besser Informieren können vorallem wenn das seid einer
Woche der Fall ist siehe SwiNOG Post.
SpamCop
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.61] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.61
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9:19 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 07:53:12AM +0100, Marcel Stutz wrote:
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Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
Wer kann mir bei Bluewin helfe, dass sie von der SpamCop und Spamhaus
Liste kommen ? Bluewin Kunden werden vom Bluewin Support falsch
Informiert oder angelogen, das Bluewin keine Probleme hat mit Spam
und das in unserem Fall Genotec der übeltäter ist.
Wenn aber ein Mail solche Informationen enthalten sollte der Bluewin
Support etwas besser Informieren können vorallem wenn das seid einer
Woche der Fall ist siehe SwiNOG Post.
SpamCop
Remote MTA smtp.genotec.ch: SMTP diagnostic: 554 Service unavailable;
[195.186.18.61] blocked using bl.spamcop.net, reason: Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?195.186.18.61
Don't use the bl.spamcop.net black-list to block traffic, just tag the
mails. This list has way to many false positives in it mostly because the
people at spamcop have no clue of how email works.
--
:wq Claudio
7:52 p.m.
Hi,
Wer kann mir bei Bluewin helfe, dass sie von der
SpamCop und Spamhaus
Liste kommen ?
Bluewin isn't listed at spamhaus.org anymore.. and looks like
the bl.spamcop.net entries will vanish soon..
Bluewin Kunden werden vom Bluewin Support falsch
Informiert oder angelogen
Maybe someone from the Bluewin Support misunderstood
your request and sent a 0-8-15 response back, everyone
makes mistakes..
..und das in unserem Fall Genotec der übeltäter ist.
'Jein'
bl.spamcop.net is notorious for 'false positives'
IMHO it isn't very clever to use bl.spamcop.net without
whitelisting [1] some known 'clean' providers...
GMX was also listed at spamcop.net .. and i wouldn't refuse
any mail from GMX, even if they are on a blacklist..
Just my 5 cent..
-- Adrian
[1] Send me a Mail and we could exchange IPs
--
die idee ist gut, doch die welt noch nicht bereit...
7:59 p.m.
Hi,
bl.spamcop.net is notorious for 'false
positives'
IMHO it isn't very clever to use bl.spamcop.net without
whitelisting [1] some known 'clean' providers...
It is possible to get whitelisted at spamcop.net !
GMX was also listed at spamcop.net .. and i wouldn't refuse
any mail from GMX, even if they are on a blacklist..
Any provider can call them (as we did) and tell them they
should whitelist the providers MX-Ranges. Since we did that,
we have no longer problems (we are not listed there over 8 month)
Martin
18 Feb
18 Feb
1:24 p.m.
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Hi!
Am Donnerstag, 17. Februar 2005 19:59 schrieb Martin Blapp:
[...]
It is possible to get whitelisted at spamcop.net !
Good to know...
[...]
Any provider can call them (as we did) and tell them
they
should whitelist the providers MX-Ranges. Since we did that,
we have no longer problems (we are not listed there over 8 month)
Since we got
blacklisted by them last week because of their misconfigured
spamtraps, I'd be very happy to know how you managed it.
It would be very useful if you could provide the way how you did it, since I
get back only stupid mails from them which try to explain, that getting out
of the spam-list is possible only once.
Btw: Marcel (from Genotec): IMHO it makes no sense to block because of only
one blacklist. Tagging and using more than one blacklist would be much
better. I advice this mostly because of the fact, that all mail from our
mailserver which was addressed to your customers has been blocked by your
mailservers in that time where we had the trouble (see above) with Spamcop.
Maybe you want to think about it ;-)
Martin
Cheers
Tobias
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5:36 p.m.
Tobias Orlamuende wrote:
[Spamcop]
Spamcop considered harmful:
http://jhoward.fastmail.fm/spamcop.html
Spamcop's "solution" (read and weep):
http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html
Method to list ANY domain in spamcop:
- have a domain
- have a mailserver
- inject message to your mailserver looking like coming from domain X
with proper IP of X's mx
- let the message bounce off to spamcop
- repeat
I thought it was common knowledge that spamcop is very bad for anything
else than scoring for the last 3 years.
--
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24 Feb
24 Feb
9:15 p.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all about swisscom dumping)
Hello
http://www.indymedia.ch/de/2005/02/30598.shtml
Not bad - maybe we should check indymedia always between slashdot and heise?
gaming indy in the old days was fun - but reading indy(media) is also an
adventure ;-)
Greetings
Nik
9:19 p.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all aboutswisscom dumping)
ooh.. nice reading... how fast will this be censured? ;-)
-steven
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[mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of Nik Hug
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:15 PM
To: swinog(a)swinog.ch
Subject: [swinog] indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all
aboutswisscom dumping)
Hello
http://www.indymedia.ch/de/2005/02/30598.shtml
Not bad - maybe we should check indymedia always between slashdot
and heise?
gaming indy in the old days was fun - but reading indy(media) is also an
adventure ;-)
Greetings
Nik
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11:03 p.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all aboutswisscom dumping)
Steven Glogger wrote:
ooh.. nice reading... how fast will this be censured?
;-)
I think to censor it on indymedia is not an easy task, unless they get
the FBI to do it (like last October: http://www.indymedia.org/fbi/).
Marco
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25 Feb
1:16 p.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all about swisscom dumping)
Nik Hug wrote:
http://www.indymedia.ch/de/2005/02/30598.shtml
Not bad - maybe we should check indymedia always between slashdot and
heise?
Computerworld is running the same story in today's printed issue (get it
at yor favourite newsstand) - title "Swisscom als Aldi-Telco".
F.
28 Feb
28 Feb
10:28 a.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all about swisscom dumping)
Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
Swisscom's Sepp Huber claims in yesterday's Sonntagsblick (page 34) that
an IPSS link sold to Migros is an "apple" and an IPSS link used for BBCS
backhaul connectivity is a "pear". Maybe Swisscom should send their
spokesmen to some basic network education first.
F.
http://www.indymedia.ch/de/2005/02/30598.shtml
Not bad - maybe we should check indymedia always between slashdot
and heise?
Computerworld is running the same story in today's printed issue (get
it at yor favourite newsstand) - title "Swisscom als Aldi-Telco".
10:36 a.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all aboutswisscom dumping)
Hello
Swisscom's Sepp Huber claims in yesterday's
Sonntagsblick (page 34) that
an IPSS link sold to Migros is an "apple" and an IPSS link used for BBCS
backhaul connectivity is a "pear". Maybe Swisscom should send their
spokesmen to some basic network education first.
apple or pear - it was the same for me - as long as there was alcohol in it
;-)
http://www.carlsberg.se/wbch3.exe?p=1001359
but in the future I will only order "nik's äpple" when doing
fruit-business
with swisscom.
the "päroncider" remains for Alder, Huber and Co. ;-)
Greetings
Nik
11:24 a.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all about swisscom dumping)
Nik Hug wrote:
apple or pear - it was the same for me - as long as
there was alcohol
in it ;-)
I guess some SC employees need a Flachman today *scnr*
For the non-Sonntagsblick readers: we scanned the article.
http://www.init7.net/sonntagsblick.php
F.
4 Mar
4 Mar
5:07 p.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all about swisscom dumping)
Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
I guess some SC employees need a Flachman today
*scnr*
For the non-Sonntagsblick readers: we scanned the article.
http://www.init7.net/sonntagsblick.php
More press coverage: in today's Computerworld (printed issue):
"Rebellion gegen Swisscom" (Cover story).
F.
14 Mar
14 Mar
9:05 a.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all about swisscom dumping)
Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
More press coverage: in today's Computerworld
(printed issue):
"Rebellion gegen Swisscom" (Cover story).
Sonntagszeitung claims yesterday that WEKO is investigation against
Swisscom because of the Migros contract.
http://www.sonntagszeitung.ch/dyn/news/wirtschaft/477677.html
(BTW nice graphics in the printed issue)
F.
9:15 a.m.
New subject: indymedia becoming our new netzwoche? (it'a all about swisscom dumping)
There was also an interview with Jens Alder in Weltwoche
10 / 10 March '05current?)--where he makes some pretty reasonable
arguments against Bundesintervention, mainly based on market
arguments, and contrasts against Cablecom and Wasserwerke Zug.
However, little background information is given, and they do not
address their national monopoly situation very much.
-John
Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
More press coverage: in today's Computerworld
(printed issue):
"Rebellion gegen Swisscom" (Cover story).
Sonntagszeitung claims yesterday that WEKO is investigation against
Swisscom because of the Migros contract.
http://www.sonntagszeitung.ch/dyn/news/wirtschaft/477677.html
(BTW nice graphics in the printed issue)
F.
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