Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
The fact that Andreas or Tonnere is able to configure ipv6 at home does not create a business case. Go look at your nearest Interdiscount or Fust shop -- how many of the consumer routers/firewalls/modems would support ipv6? How many of the shop salesmen would ever hear such word?
That's the main issue why IPv6 is not really growing. Too many people think IPv6 needs to have a short term business case.
Think back 15 years. Internet would not exist as it is known today if people then only thought about the business case.
If you don't get extra v4 space in 1000 days, don't even consider to complain. You have been warned.
I would very much worry, if my most important resource to maintain my business would dry out in less than 1000 days. That's why we fixed IPv6 in AS13030.
F.
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From: Fredy Kuenzler kuenzler@init7.net
If you don't get extra v4 space in 1000 days, don't even consider to complain. You have been warned.
I would very much worry, if my most important resource to maintain my business would dry out in less than 1000 days. That's why we fixed IPv6 in AS13030.
Fredy, how many residential customers do you have and how many of them have moved to pure ipv6?
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
If you don't get extra v4 space in 1000 days, don't even consider to complain. You have been warned.
I would very much worry, if my most important resource to maintain my business would dry out in less than 1000 days. That's why we fixed IPv6 in AS13030.
Fredy, how many residential customers do you have and how many of them have moved to pure ipv6?
Noone moves to pure IPv6 these days. I don't consider this question serious.
Init7 carries ~60 v6 prefixes via BGP and has ~20 /48 customer assignments, mainly to colocation and carrier ethernet customers. This is not too much yet, but it's a start.
Regarding residentials (xDSL via BBCS) - we have an open task, and we will deliver native v6 "soon(TM)" ...
F.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 01:52:50AM -0800, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
If you don't get extra v4 space in 1000 days, don't even consider to complain. You have been warned.
I would very much worry, if my most important resource to maintain my business would dry out in less than 1000 days. That's why we fixed IPv6 in AS13030.
Fredy, how many residential customers do you have and how many of them have moved to pure ipv6?
This is a very stupid question. There is no such thing as pure IPv6 and it will most probably never be.
The world would be much better and IPv6 would probably find a broader acceptance if all the IPv6 evangelist would step back and let the real world chop of all the crap out of IPv6 (especially the political crap) and make it usable.
Am 26 Feb 2009 um 10:25 hat Fredy Kuenzler geschrieben:
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb:
hardware is not ready, and the times wehre you install PPPoE on a single client are long time gone. what to do with the famous family webcam, or the X-Box of the son ? so only solution is to have a box wich converts V6 to V4 well again there is a solution, buy another PC and use that as a nat/conversion box. Nat router before 15W new PC 120W is that the way we go to an green future ? Or connect straigth all devices to the ISP, thats even a go back to the oldfirewall/natless times in home envirnonment. that would be a push forward again for malware. opens new way for some "bundestrojaner" ;)
The fact that Andreas or Tonnere is able to configure ipv6 at home does not create a business case.
most XP-PC are having IPV6 allready installed with all his funy virtual networkdevices. if i ask, allways got the answer, i dont know what that is, i just activated it because its there.
If you don't get extra v4 space in 1000 days, don't even consider to complain. You have been warned.
what about all the 18 A class net not in use ? How to deassign large Company b class network which they since years only use internally ? UBS, CS to only mention the largest ones think about the mil network as well ... a shame and an waste of IP-Space.
i'm absolutely not against IPV6 but now, to push the enduser to use it with all his hazzle is the wrong way, We have enough Banana products on the world, where the users suffering while waiting for upgrade x-y to get it working better. . users need an all over solution. working and plug and play. in the IPV6 case the priority is different than in other cases. not the request of the client will lead to more IPV6 Enabled products, it have to be ready and implemented to getting users attention. that we have to accept. . its not a feature . its a must to go for IPV6. It have nothing to do with marketing .. sorry to dissapoint the marketing guys ;)
Roger
Hey, Fredy,
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:25:38 +0100, Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
If you don't get extra v4 space in 1000 days, don't even consider to complain. You have been warned.
Since RIPE is planning to reclaim unassigned allocations, I expect a potential heart infarct of old IPv4 routers (Cogent? UPC?) maybe even before that point in time...
277302 IPv4 network entries using 8.5M of memory 1957989 prefix entries using 59.8M of memory 313918 BGP path attribute entries using 23.9M of memory RIB using 94.3M of memory
Let's see what is going to happen.
Tonnerre
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