Hello,
As you most probably all know, .ch domains which are still registered at nic.ch have to be moved to another registrar by autumn 2016 (https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/misc/aufgabentrennung.html).
But thanks to some recent marketing campaigns (like "Per 31. Dezember 2014 braucht Ihre .ch-Domain ein neues Zuhause!"), ads and newspaper articles, some customers are already panicking, so I am also looking for a new home for a few hundreds of self-hosted domains.
Requirements: - it should be a registrar only company, if possible (to prevent departure of customers to other hosting companies) - customer billed directly - DNSSEC / IPV6 capable - no aggressive ads on checkout (add antivirus, add top listing, add hosting, etc.)
At the moment, my first choice would be gandi.net, even if they are a little bit more expensive than the others and they are also selling some kind of hosting, because it "just works", and I like their "no bullshit" promise :)
But maybe there would be a more suitable alternative, so my question to you if you are in a similar situation : which is your new .ch-registrar and why ?
Thanks & kind regards, Olivier
PS: just in case, here is the current list of .ch-Registrars according to the official listing @ Switch, sorted by yearly-cost (no warranty of correctness). 26 companies out of total 70 are not listed (no visible public pricing, reseller-only, etc.) :
CHF URL 1 8.90 http://www.infomaniak.com/en 2 9.90 https://www1.q-x.ch/ 3 9.95 http://www.greenmark-it.de/ 4 10.70 https://www.hosttech.ch/ 5 10.75 https://www.metanet.ch/ 6 10.81 http://www.ovh.com/fr/index.xml 7 11.90 http://www.kreativmedia.ch/de/ 8 11.96 http://www.hostway.de/ 9 12.90 http://www.netzone.ch/ 10 12.95 http://www.novatrend.ch/de/ 11 13.50 http://www.1api.net/ 12 13.80 http://www.bar.ch/ 13 13.90 http://www.firestorm.ch/ 14 14.00 https://www.iway.ch/ 15 14.16 http://www.123domain.eu/ 16 14.42 https://www.namebay.com/ 17 14.50 http://www.green.ch/de-ch/home.aspx 18 14.50 http://www.netim.com/domain/ 19 14.90 https://www.amenic.ch/de/ 20 14.90 https://www.cyon.ch/domains/ch-transfer 21 14.90 http://www.easyname.com/en 22 14.90 http://www.webland.ch/ 23 15.00 https://www.hostfactory.ch/ 24 15.00 http://www.hostpoint.ch/ 25 15.00 http://www.vtx.ch/ 26 15.50 http://www.domainpartner.ch/ 27 15.50 http://www.mhs.ch/domains 28 15.50 http://www.switchplus.ch/?lang=de 29 15.90 https://www.hosteurope.ch/ 30 16.12 http://www.gandi.net/ 31 16.71 http://www.inwx.de/ 32 18.03 http://www.1domain.at/ 33 18.36 https://www.101domain.com/ 34 18.41 http://www.marcaria.com/ 35 19.00 https://www.openprovider.co.uk 36 19.71 http://www.domaindiscount24.com/de/ch-domain 37 20.05 https://www.checkdomain.de/ 38 33.66 https://www.eurodns.com/ 39 36.06 http://www.info.at/ 40 58.90 http://www.1und1.de/ 41 59.50 http://www.register.eu/ 42 70.92 http://www.domainname.at/ 43 101.75 http://www.instra.com/ 44 119.00 https://www.united-domains.de/
On 2014-11-25 15:08, Olivier Mueller wrote:
Hello,
As you most probably all know, .ch domains which are still registered at nic.ch have to be moved to another registrar by autumn 2016 (https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/misc/aufgabentrennung.html).
But thanks to some recent marketing campaigns (like "Per 31. Dezember 2014 braucht Ihre .ch-Domain ein neues Zuhause!"),
it is really funny to hear/see these indeed. Even Switch did it in a way by sending through switchplus notifies about switchie.ch which then states that one does not need to move at all... right ;)
- it should be a registrar only company, if possible (to prevent departure of customers to other hosting companies)
That is a rare thing.
But if you are afraid of that, why don't you become a registrar yourself? Or at least a reseller?
Your long list does not include Joker.com who are effectively based in Zug and do a lot of domains. Oh I don't think they do any hosting, though they do redirect stuff. And you can be a reseller for your own customers.
- customer billed directly
From you or the remote party?
- DNSSEC / IPV6 capable
For DNSSEC your should specify that they have proper APIs in place for updating keying material. And if you do that you cut down the list to a very short few.
As last week Craigslist got stolen through a registrar hack, one now has to wonder how liable .ch will become for that too...
At least whois does not show which registrar one is using hence they'll have to hack a weak one which does allow the domain to be transfered for them to get anywhere.
I still don't see why this registrar/registry split was needed, except if it is all again about this Meja song.
Greets, Jeroen
Thanks for your answer Jeroen (and Silvan).
On 11/25/2014 03:41 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote:
it is really funny to hear/see these indeed. Even Switch did it in a way by sending through switchplus notifies about switchie.ch which then states that one does not need to move at all... right ;)
Yep :) This (and the whole www.switch.ch -> switchplus.ch link) is why I will not recommenend switchplus.ch in any case...
- it should be a registrar onl
But if you are afraid of that, why don't you become a registrar yourself? Or at least a reseller?
There are already enough registrars for our little country :) And the condition is : "Billing contact for at least 1000 domain names.", which is not the case. But reseller may be a good option, yes.
Your long list does not include Joker.com who are effectively based in Zug and do a lot of domains. Oh I don't think they do any hosting, though they do redirect stuff. And you can be a reseller for your own customers.
Noted, merci ! Strange that they are not listed under https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/partnerlist/partnerlist.jsp, so it may be a reseller itself ?
- customer billed directly
From you or the remote party?
Remote party (like it is the case now with nic.ch). But in case of a reseller setup, this may be integrated to our current system.
Thanks again for your answer an to be continued ! Olivier
Cool, thanks for the list. Does any of those registrars allow a 5-year payment? Because it's quite annoying to handle those little invoices every year. On Nov 25, 2014 3:11 PM, "Olivier Mueller" om-lists-swinog@omx.ch wrote:
Hello,
As you most probably all know, .ch domains which are still registered at nic.ch have to be moved to another registrar by autumn 2016 ( https://www.nic.ch/reg/cm/wcm-page/misc/aufgabentrennung.html).
But thanks to some recent marketing campaigns (like "Per 31. Dezember 2014 braucht Ihre .ch-Domain ein neues Zuhause!"), ads and newspaper articles, some customers are already panicking, so I am also looking for a new home for a few hundreds of self-hosted domains.
Requirements:
- it should be a registrar only company, if possible (to prevent departure of customers to other hosting companies)
- customer billed directly
- DNSSEC / IPV6 capable
- no aggressive ads on checkout (add antivirus, add top listing, add hosting, etc.)
At the moment, my first choice would be gandi.net, even if they are a little bit more expensive than the others and they are also selling some kind of hosting, because it "just works", and I like their "no bullshit" promise :)
But maybe there would be a more suitable alternative, so my question to you if you are in a similar situation : which is your new .ch-registrar and why ?
Thanks & kind regards, Olivier
PS: just in case, here is the current list of .ch-Registrars according to the official listing @ Switch, sorted by yearly-cost (no warranty of correctness). 26 companies out of total 70 are not listed (no visible public pricing, reseller-only, etc.) :
CHF URL1 8.90 http://www.infomaniak.com/en 2 9.90 https://www1.q-x.ch/ 3 9.95 http://www.greenmark-it.de/ 4 10.70 https://www.hosttech.ch/ 5 10.75 https://www.metanet.ch/ 6 10.81 http://www.ovh.com/fr/index.xml 7 11.90 http://www.kreativmedia.ch/de/ 8 11.96 http://www.hostway.de/ 9 12.90 http://www.netzone.ch/ 10 12.95 http://www.novatrend.ch/de/ 11 13.50 http://www.1api.net/ 12 13.80 http://www.bar.ch/ 13 13.90 http://www.firestorm.ch/ 14 14.00 https://www.iway.ch/ 15 14.16 http://www.123domain.eu/ 16 14.42 https://www.namebay.com/ 17 14.50 http://www.green.ch/de-ch/home.aspx 18 14.50 http://www.netim.com/domain/ 19 14.90 https://www.amenic.ch/de/ 20 14.90 https://www.cyon.ch/domains/ch-transfer 21 14.90 http://www.easyname.com/en 22 14.90 http://www.webland.ch/ 23 15.00 https://www.hostfactory.ch/ 24 15.00 http://www.hostpoint.ch/ 25 15.00 http://www.vtx.ch/ 26 15.50 http://www.domainpartner.ch/ 27 15.50 http://www.mhs.ch/domains 28 15.50 http://www.switchplus.ch/?lang=de 29 15.90 https://www.hosteurope.ch/ 30 16.12 http://www.gandi.net/ 31 16.71 http://www.inwx.de/ 32 18.03 http://www.1domain.at/ 33 18.36 https://www.101domain.com/ 34 18.41 http://www.marcaria.com/ 35 19.00 https://www.openprovider.co.uk 36 19.71 http://www.domaindiscount24.com/de/ch-domain 37 20.05 https://www.checkdomain.de/ 38 33.66 https://www.eurodns.com/ 39 36.06 http://www.info.at/ 40 58.90 http://www.1und1.de/ 41 59.50 http://www.register.eu/ 42 70.92 http://www.domainname.at/ 43 101.75 http://www.instra.com/ 44 119.00 https://www.united-domains.de/
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:37, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
Cool, thanks for the list. Does any of those registrars allow a 5-year payment? Because it's quite annoying to handle those little invoices every year.
You can pay 100.- or 200.- instead of the one year price! At cyon this works and it worked also for the good old nic.ch. You will get 0.00 bills until your credit is used up.
-Tom
Does anyone knows which one of the list supports DNSSEC?
Freundliche Grüsse
sasag Kabelkommunikation AG Michael Richter Professional Bachelor ODEC in Engineering mrichter@sasag.ch 052 633 01 71
________________________________________ Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]" im Auftrag von "Thomas Hug [tom@nine.ch] Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. November 2014 21:32 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] .ch registrars : goodbye nic.ch, but where to go then ?
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:37, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
Cool, thanks for the list. Does any of those registrars allow a 5-year payment? Because it's quite annoying to handle those little invoices every year.
You can pay 100.- or 200.- instead of the one year price! At cyon this works and it worked also for the good old nic.ch. You will get 0.00 bills until your credit is used up.
-Tom
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Since you asked, I asked back since I gave a statement last week.
Amenic will support DNSSEC by New Year ;)
(I just poked them now again)
Silvan
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Does anyone knows which one of the list supports DNSSEC?
Freundliche Grüsse
sasag Kabelkommunikation AG Michael Richter Professional Bachelor ODEC in Engineering mrichter@sasag.ch 052 633 01 71
________________________________________ Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]" im Auftrag von "Thomas Hug [tom@nine.ch] Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. November 2014 21:32 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] .ch registrars : goodbye nic.ch, but where to go then ?
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:37, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
Cool, thanks for the list. Does any of those registrars allow a 5-year payment? Because it's quite annoying to handle those little invoices every year.
You can pay 100.- or 200.- instead of the one year price! At cyon this works and it worked also for the good old nic.ch. You will get 0.00 bills until your credit is used up.
-Tom
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Switch answered me these three will support DNSSEC:
Gandi.net OVH.com 123 domain.eu
Freundliche Grüsse
sasag Kabelkommunikation AG Michael Richter Professional Bachelor ODEC in Engineering mrichter@sasag.ch 052 633 01 71
________________________________________ Von: Silvan M. Gebhardt / Силван Гебхардт [gebhardt@openfactory.ch] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. November 2014 13:58 An: Michael Richter Cc: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] .ch registrars : goodbye nic.ch, but where to go then ?
Since you asked, I asked back since I gave a statement last week.
Amenic will support DNSSEC by New Year ;)
(I just poked them now again)
Silvan
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Does anyone knows which one of the list supports DNSSEC?
Freundliche Grüsse
sasag Kabelkommunikation AG Michael Richter Professional Bachelor ODEC in Engineering mrichter@sasag.ch 052 633 01 71
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On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:37, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
Cool, thanks for the list. Does any of those registrars allow a 5-year payment? Because it's quite annoying to handle those little invoices every year.
You can pay 100.- or 200.- instead of the one year price! At cyon this works and it worked also for the good old nic.ch. You will get 0.00 bills until your credit is used up.
-Tom
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Well.... not sure how up-to-date that info is... We'll support it shortly.
If you have many domains or special wishes e.g. regarding prices, you should ask. This is surly true for many companies on the list.
Yes, there's now a competition and a large list of partners. Good luck in finding the right one for you ;-)
Regards Ralf
http://www.rhone.ch http://www.barinformatik.ch http://www.colobrig.ch http://www.finishweb.ch
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Michael Richter Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. November 2014 14:09 An: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] .ch registrars : goodbye nic.ch, but where to go then ?
Switch answered me these three will support DNSSEC:
Gandi.net OVH.com 123 domain.eu
Freundliche Grüsse
sasag Kabelkommunikation AG Michael Richter Professional Bachelor ODEC in Engineering mrichter@sasag.ch 052 633 01 71
________________________________________ Von: Silvan M. Gebhardt / Силван Гебхардт [gebhardt@openfactory.ch] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. November 2014 13:58 An: Michael Richter Cc: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] .ch registrars : goodbye nic.ch, but where to go then ?
Since you asked, I asked back since I gave a statement last week.
Amenic will support DNSSEC by New Year ;)
(I just poked them now again)
Silvan
----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----- Von: "Michael Richter" MRichter@sasag.ch An: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. November 2014 08:04:01 Betreff: Re: [swinog] .ch registrars : goodbye nic.ch, but where to go then ?
Does anyone knows which one of the list supports DNSSEC?
Freundliche Grüsse
sasag Kabelkommunikation AG Michael Richter Professional Bachelor ODEC in Engineering mrichter@sasag.ch 052 633 01 71
________________________________________ Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]" im Auftrag von "Thomas Hug [tom@nine.ch] Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. November 2014 21:32 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] .ch registrars : goodbye nic.ch, but where to go then ?
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 20:37, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote:
Cool, thanks for the list. Does any of those registrars allow a 5-year payment? Because it's quite annoying to handle those little invoices every year.
You can pay 100.- or 200.- instead of the one year price! At cyon this works and it worked also for the good old nic.ch. You will get 0.00 bills until your credit is used up.
-Tom
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I've copied the registrar list from this thread into a spreadsheet - if you are willing to put in the feature set from the registrars you know hopefully we can get a decent overview.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UWK6ijLCiLXSIuTT4sS_h0zCqPMCjjhry0by...
Feel free to edit/add features. If gets abused I'll set to read-only or remove it.
Best regards Oli
Great Idea Oli!
Thanks a lot for transferring it into something legible!
Oli Schacher [Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 09:03:01AM +0100]:
I've copied the registrar list from this thread into a spreadsheet - if you are willing to put in the feature set from the registrars you know hopefully we can get a decent overview.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UWK6ijLCiLXSIuTT4sS_h0zCqPMCjjhry0by...
Feel free to edit/add features. If gets abused I'll set to read-only or remove it.
Best regards Oli
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Dear Swinogers
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UWK6ijLCiLXSIuTT4sS_h0zCqPMCjjhry0b yQprysts/edit?usp=sharing
Hmm, I'm now also forced to transfer my domains to a new registrar :-). I had to select one of the few that support DNSSEC and IPv6 Glue Records and publish IPv6 addresses for their own DNS Servers.
But the transfers is a big bumpy... First I got a duplicate key error, related to the fact, that I signed all my domains with the same key. That was not a problam at Switch, but the new registrar claims my domains need a unique key each, for which I can manage the glue records _after_ the transfer.
The registrar tells me, Switch does not support transfering signed domains. In case of a .ch domain, the 'SEC' key would need to be removed prior to the transfer.
The switch 'transfer' helpdesk told me, that they have not yet heard about that problem and transfering signed domains should not be a problem. But I got the feeling that the agent was not so well informed about the topic DNSSEC.
So did anyone succeed to transfer a signed domains from one registrar to another? Or is it mandatory to first remove the DS glue records at switch?
PS: At IMP we also ended up with multiple copies of our 'DNS Admin' Switch NIC handle at the different registrars to which we have no access anymore because those handels are now owned by customer who transfered their domains.
Wouldn't it be a future improvement to have some kind of handles shared by all the registrars? Solved by openid or a similar technique?
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Benoit Panizzon
Hi Benoit
We encountered the same issue. DNSSEC records get removed on transfer and have to be re added afterwards. (As it is with all Domain Information (Owner, Admin, DNS Records etc)
I have not tried yet to register two domains with the same key, as all our domains have different keys anyway.
Regards
Matthias
On 11/05/15 14:18, Benoit Panizzon wrote:
Dear Swinogers
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UWK6ijLCiLXSIuTT4sS_h0zCqPMCjjhry0b yQprysts/edit?usp=sharing
Hmm, I'm now also forced to transfer my domains to a new registrar :-). I had to select one of the few that support DNSSEC and IPv6 Glue Records and publish IPv6 addresses for their own DNS Servers.
But the transfers is a big bumpy... First I got a duplicate key error, related to the fact, that I signed all my domains with the same key. That was not a problam at Switch, but the new registrar claims my domains need a unique key each, for which I can manage the glue records _after_ the transfer.
The registrar tells me, Switch does not support transfering signed domains. In case of a .ch domain, the 'SEC' key would need to be removed prior to the transfer.
The switch 'transfer' helpdesk told me, that they have not yet heard about that problem and transfering signed domains should not be a problem. But I got the feeling that the agent was not so well informed about the topic DNSSEC.
So did anyone succeed to transfer a signed domains from one registrar to another? Or is it mandatory to first remove the DS glue records at switch?
PS: At IMP we also ended up with multiple copies of our 'DNS Admin' Switch NIC handle at the different registrars to which we have no access anymore because those handels are now owned by customer who transfered their domains.
Wouldn't it be a future improvement to have some kind of handles shared by all the registrars? Solved by openid or a similar technique?
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Benoit Panizzon
Hi Benoit
Transfer of a DNSSEC signed domain is supported by SWITCH, of course.
The problem is that many registrars fail to accept a DNSSEC signed domain which has *two* or more DS records for a single DNSKEY. As SWITCH used to publish digest type 1, 2 (and later 4) for each signed domain (if you were a direct customer of SWITCH) this setup is common. If I remember correctly, there are still about 180 such domain names in ch.
Me privately as well as at SWITCH we stumbled over this issue when transferring a signed domain. There are two workarounds:
1) you remove DNSSEC for your domain during the transfer
2) you tell SWITCH to remove all but *one* DS record for your signed domain. Afterwards, the transfer works just fine.
In the mean time, SWITCH is trying to educate the registrars we know of who have problems with accepting signed domains with more then one digest. If you don't mind, please send me the name of the registrar directly.
We are also in the process of implementing a DNSSEC test procedure which registrars have do before they can send/receive DNSSEC data over EPP. Maybe we should have done this earlier.
Daniel
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