Hi all

I don't unterstand, why someone should trust any Blacklist/Spamlist/whatelse and delete some mail, who may probably hit one of thouse lists. _Never_ /dev/null any mail, only weighting them, and if the wieght is much, then move it to a spamfolder on the recipients maildir.

[a] I don't unterstand spamhaus, why they don't contact the isp of those domains [b] I don't unterstand admins who trust any lists 100% (I _was_ one of them) [c] I don't unterstand why _Spam_haus take care about phishing (how about Phishinghaus?)

nice weekend rog

Matthias Hertzog schrieb:

[1] = Bullshit [2] = No, we don't use ugly/useless/badly-maintained things like that.

nic.at hat a "discussion" with them this week. Spamhaus listed their mailservers. What a "great" idea, to blacklist a registry. :-(

Best wishes, Matthias

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Anderson" galium123@hotmail.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: [swinog] spamhaus.org

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Hi Guys.

any opinions on the game [1] that spamhaus.org is playing? Is there someone left who uses them to reject mails on smtp level?

Regards,

Andreas

[1] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/91587

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I think that the use of spamhaus got pulled into the default setup for popular spam suites like spamassassin, which many operators running on a shoestring just update onto their systems with out too much critical review every time it comes out.

Such behaviour perforce leads to a bump-and-steer philosophy in spam handling. I'd be curious to know if it's still in the latest default setup for these tools.

I had a problem with mail sent from a spamhaus.org blocked domain (yahoo.com!) last month. Whitelisted yahoo.com, and that was that.

-----Original Message----- From: Roger Buchwalder [mailto:roger@buchwalder.com] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:32 PM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] spamhaus.org

Hi all

I don't unterstand, why someone should trust any Blacklist/Spamlist/whatelse and delete some mail, who may probably hit one of thouse lists. _Never_ /dev/null any mail, only weighting them, and if the wieght is much, then move it to a spamfolder on the recipients maildir.

[a] I don't unterstand spamhaus, why they don't contact the isp of those domains [b] I don't unterstand admins who trust any lists 100% (I _was_ one of them) [c] I don't unterstand why _Spam_haus take care about phishing (how about Phishinghaus?)

nice weekend rog

Matthias Hertzog schrieb:

[1] = Bullshit [2] = No, we don't use ugly/useless/badly-maintained things like that.

nic.at hat a "discussion" with them this week. Spamhaus listed their mailservers. What a "great" idea, to blacklist a registry. :-(

Best wishes, Matthias

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Anderson" galium123@hotmail.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: [swinog] spamhaus.org

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Hi Guys.

any opinions on the game [1] that spamhaus.org is playing? Is there someone left who uses them to reject mails on smtp level?

Regards,

Andreas

[1] http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/91587

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Hi Tobias,

I've stopped using spamhaus.org when they started blocking 127.0.0.1

Didn't notice this and currently it is not listed.

Do you have any 'evidence' (or references) ;-) (Mailing-list postings, etc)

(what a very nice idea if you have a system that sends logs... very clever).

IMO this is your own fault because our MTA is configured incorrectly.

When using a RBL, your MTA must only check the RBL if...

#1 ..the peer is not allowed to relay based on $trusted_ips #2 ..did also not dare to authenticate itself using SMTP-Auth #3 ..would like send mail to $your_destination

Spamming RBLs with queries about internal IPs is not nice.

Example for postfix: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_rbl_client foo.example.com, reject_unauth_destination

Regards, Adrian

Zitat von Per Jessen per.jessen@enidan.ch:

Adrian Ulrich wrote:

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Blocking nic.at was not nice but refusing to delete domains just used for phising is also not very clever...

IMHO, taking any such actions purely based on the unproven statements of an arbitrary organisation would also not have been very clever.

Why does this somehow remind me of the discussion around the DNS-Blacklist from KOBIK ... ;-)