I don't think it's stupid. With a 56k modem you don't have any MB included at all, and you pay for traffic. Yes, you also pay when you install Windows Updates, McAfee updates or whatever. But if I were a "non-techie", I'd still prefer ADSL 150/50 instead of a 56k modem - because it's faster! *duh*
ok, for the speed: it's 3 times faster .. (ow..is that slow -,)) but is it really cheaper?
let's calculate a little bit:
20MB costs the user at least 10.- per month (that he has to switch his telephone to sunrise is another thing).
a 56k modem reaches about 7kb/sec. so 20Mb takes about 48 Minutes to download. 1 hour by phone costs something CHF 2.80. i know, its a little bit comparing apples with pears... but at the end: - the user can download faster (ok, it takes hime 16 minutes...) - pays around 10x more ...
the user should enjoy a good coffee during that download - which he can of course afford because he saved some money ;-)
Why does everything need to do Swisscom-bashing as a principle?
it'snot swisscom bashing (ok, maybe a little bit): but the pricing we have to pay to swisscom is far away from good and bad. it seems that they took a pricelist from 1998 or so for this service... pfft...
-steven
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:59 +0200, Glogger Steven wrote:
ok, for the speed: it's 3 times faster .. (ow..is that slow -,)) but is it really cheaper? [...]
Idea: Let's say I have a "standard" (600/100) flatrate adsl account from ISP A at home, and the Sunrise 150 flex somewhere else (holiday house, chalet, grandparents, etc.).
Will it still work if I just configure the sunrise adsl line with the login/pw information of ISP A ? (assuming I turn off the router at home).
I guess it would work (but of course still at 150/50), but what about the 20MB limitation? Who is doing the accounting work: Swisscom or Sunrise, or both?
Regards, Olivier
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:34:18 +0200, Olivier Mueller om-lists-swinog@omx.ch wrote:
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 11:59 +0200, Glogger Steven wrote:
ok, for the speed: it's 3 times faster .. (ow..is that slow -,)) but is it really cheaper? [...]
Idea: Let's say I have a "standard" (600/100) flatrate adsl account from ISP A at home, and the Sunrise 150 flex somewhere else (holiday house, chalet, grandparents, etc.).
Will it still work if I just configure the sunrise adsl line with the login/pw information of ISP A ? (assuming I turn off the router at home).
I guess it would work (but of course still at 150/50), but what about the 20MB limitation? Who is doing the accounting work: Swisscom or Sunrise, or both?
Oliver,
I tested this about two years ago. I have two ADSL lines at home served by different providers (one analog, one ISDN, both with fixed IPs). I did some permutations, connecting different lines (analog/ISDN) with the different account credentials, e.g. connecting line A with account from line B and so on). I then then expanded the experiment with ADSL lines of friends in other parts of Switzerland.
My observations was as follows:
1.) If a given phoneline (be it analog or ISDN) is registered for ADSL use, you can successfully run whatever ADSL account on it.
2.) The bandwith you get is based on the bandwith bought for that specific phoneline.
3.) The IP addresses you get are based on the account used for logging in.
Based on my experiance/experiment (2 years ago), your idea would work with the above limitations.
If someone has more insight on how this works in the backbone, I would be interessted to learn about.
Cheers Stefan Frei
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:55:19 +0200 "Frei Stefan"
1.) If a given phoneline (be it analog or ISDN) is registered for ADSL use, you can successfully run whatever ADSL account on it.
2.) The bandwith you get is based on the bandwith bought for that specific phoneline.
3.) The IP addresses you get are based on the account used for logging in.
this is working at the moment but swisscom will block this in the near future :(
Based on my experiance/experiment (2 years ago), your idea would work with the above limitations.
If someone has more insight on how this works in the backbone, I would be interessted to learn about.
you'll find design cases in the Ciscopress book [1] or on the cisco homepage. you should search for VPDN solutions
Ueli
[1] I have to look at home for the title of this book. I'll post it later.
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:19:03 +0200 Ueli Heuer ueli@heuer.org wrote:
[1] I have to look at home for the title of this book. I'll post it later.
The title of the book is:
"Design and Implementation of DSL-Based Access Solutions" Ciscopress, ISBN 1-58705-021-8 http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1587050218&rl=1
Ueli Heuer wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 12:55:19 +0200 "Frei Stefan"
1.) If a given phoneline (be it analog or ISDN) is registered for ADSL use, you can successfully run whatever ADSL account on it.
2.) The bandwith you get is based on the bandwith bought for that specific phoneline.
3.) The IP addresses you get are based on the account used for logging in.
this is working at the moment but swisscom will block this in the near future :(
Depending on technology used; "old" BBCS, same behaviour, for "new" BBCS services this will change.
Based on my experiance/experiment (2 years ago), your idea would work with the above limitations.
If someone has more insight on how this works in the backbone, I would be interessted to learn about.
http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog3/BBCS_Swinog.ppt
Quite outdated, but the basics of todays BBCS are still the same.
you'll find design cases in the Ciscopress book [1] or on the cisco homepage. you should search for VPDN solutions
it's L2TP tunneling, VPDN only works in LAN environments
Guido
Hi,
Will it still work if I just configure the sunrise adsl line with the login/pw information of ISP A ? (assuming I turn off the router at home).
I guess it would work (but of course still at 150/50), but what about the 20MB limitation?
The new model is called open pipe and the speedprofile is allocated via phonenumber and domain.
Who is doing the accounting work: Swisscom or Sunrise, or both?
Swisscom counts all traffic inkl. L2TP header etc. via policy-map and the isp has to pay per Gbyte.
Regards
Erich
re,
On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 13:04 +0200, Erich Hohermuth wrote:
The new model is called open pipe and the speedprofile is allocated via phonenumber and domain. Swisscom counts all traffic inkl. L2TP header etc. via policy-map and the isp has to pay per Gbyte.
Ok, thanks to you, Steven and Stefan for infos!
So the cheapest way to go online @ a secondary residence is still to find someone nice around with a "real" flatrate adsl line and who lets you add a (well configured) WLAN device against a few bottles of good wine :)
Olivier
PS: 10Mbit/1Mbit ADSL for 30EUR/Mt, that's now "standard" in France, cf. http://adsl.free.fr/ or even 20Mbit downstream if you're lucky... flatrate of course. /me would like a swiss freebox! :-)
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