Does anybody know if a "contract" like the one below is valid in CH. Especially if an under aged is filling in the form and just enters a wrong Date. Its part of a web site in Germany where you can download music texts - one day for free...
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ralf.zenklusen@barinformatik.ch schrieb:
Hi.
Does anybody know if a "contract" like the one below is valid in CH. Especially if an under aged is filling in the form and just enters a wrong Date. Its part of a web site in Germany where you can download music texts - one day for free...
<Schanipp>
You maybe want to ask this in ch.soc.law too.
CU, Venty
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I think this is a justisical Problem. You can say is this allowed or not. I think when you have a big banner with Free xy... And you have in a shorter capalize this terms... Than the owner of this side will have a problem... 2. In juristical E-Mailforms are not a contract. The best way is you send a contract by post... Like all other Providers like Swisscom, Sunrise, etc. Than are you shure, that the contract is ok. Only on Web... I think you will have some difficutes...
Xaver
- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von ralf.zenklusen@barinformatik.ch Gesendet: Freitag, 24. März 2006 08:44 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: [swinog] contract
Does anybody know if a "contract" like the one below is valid in CH. Especially if an under aged is filling in the form and just enters a wrong Date. Its part of a web site in Germany where you can download music texts - - one day for free...
- --- d) Technische Schritte zum Zustandekommen des Vertrages/Fehlerkorrektur
Der Vertrag zwischen Ihnen und uns kommt in folgender Weise zustande:
1. Sie geben in der Registrierungsmaske die erforderlichen Daten (Namen, Anschrift, Telefonnummer, E-Mail-Adresse und Geburtsdatum) ein.
2. Die Registrierungsdaten können Sie bis zur Betätigung des Buttons »Anmelden« jederzeit ändern. Die Änderungen können mittels Maus und/oder Tastatur vorgenommen werden.
3. Nach der Betätigung des Buttons »Anmelden« geben Sie gegenüber ... eine verbindliche Erklärung über die kostenpflichtige Nutzung des Memberbereiches ab. Gleichzeitig akzeptieren Sie unsere Allgemeinen Geschäftsbedingungen. - ---
Thank you Ralf
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On Friday 24 March 2006 09:41, Xaver Aerni wrote:
- In juristical E-Mailforms are not a contract. The best way is you
send a contract by post... Like all other Providers like Swisscom, Sunrise, etc. Than are you shure, that the contract is ok. Only on Web... I think you will have some difficutes...
IANAL, but I don't think that's entirely correct: by Swiss law, most contracts don't require any specific form (just agreement over the terms). They can be made orally (not leaving any trace, really), on phone, by letter, under circumstances even by just ACTING like you agreed (i.e. mail order business that sends you goods after you've ordered them) and by extension most likely by email as well.
There's a select number of contracts that need a specific form (for instance, buying real estate) but far and by large, people are free to make them in any form they like.
Another example: buying something in Migros makes you and Migros enter a contract by law (Kaufvertrag), even though neither one of you actually does say so.
As for a German page: IIRC, Germany has a concept of a "Taschengeldparagraph" which basically should allow minors to enter contracts as far as their allowances can cover them.
regards, Gabriel
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This is correct... But if you have a juristic Problem you need "Beweise". And Webmails and all this protocols are the same like faxes.
- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Gabriel Ambuehl Gesendet: Freitag, 24. März 2006 10:08 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: AW: [swinog] contract
On Friday 24 March 2006 09:41, Xaver Aerni wrote:
- In juristical E-Mailforms are not a contract. The best way is
you send a contract by post... Like all other Providers like Swisscom, Sunrise, etc. Than are you shure, that the contract is ok. Only on Web... I think you will have some difficutes...
IANAL, but I don't think that's entirely correct: by Swiss law, most contracts don't require any specific form (just agreement over the terms). They can be made orally (not leaving any trace, really), on phone, by letter, under circumstances even by just ACTING like you agreed (i.e. mail order business that sends you goods after you've ordered them) and by extension most likely by email as well.
There's a select number of contracts that need a specific form (for instance, buying real estate) but far and by large, people are free to make them in any form they like.
Another example: buying something in Migros makes you and Migros enter a contract by law (Kaufvertrag), even though neither one of you actually does say so.
As for a German page: IIRC, Germany has a concept of a "Taschengeldparagraph" which basically should allow minors to enter contracts as far as their allowances can cover them.
regards, Gabriel
A proof can be the use of a specific service and for sure first payment ...
Cheers pap
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Xaver Aerni Gesendet: Freitag, 24. März 2006 10:52 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: AW: AW: [swinog] contract
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This is correct... But if you have a juristic Problem you need "Beweise". And Webmails and all this protocols are the same like faxes.
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Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Gabriel Ambuehl Gesendet: Freitag, 24. März 2006 10:08 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: AW: [swinog] contract
On Friday 24 March 2006 09:41, Xaver Aerni wrote:
- In juristical E-Mailforms are not a contract. The best
way is you
send a contract by post... Like all other Providers like Swisscom, Sunrise, etc. Than are you shure, that the contract is ok. Only on Web... I think you will have some difficutes...
IANAL, but I don't think that's entirely correct: by Swiss law, most contracts don't require any specific form (just agreement over the terms). They can be made orally (not leaving any trace, really), on phone, by letter, under circumstances even by just ACTING like you agreed (i.e. mail order business that sends you goods after you've ordered them) and by extension most likely by email as well.
There's a select number of contracts that need a specific form (for instance, buying real estate) but far and by large, people are free to make them in any form they like.
Another example: buying something in Migros makes you and Migros enter a contract by law (Kaufvertrag), even though neither one of you actually does say so.
As for a German page: IIRC, Germany has a concept of a "Taschengeldparagraph" which basically should allow minors to enter contracts as far as their allowances can cover them.
regards, Gabriel
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Thanks to all for the answers :-)
Regards Ralf
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A proof can be the use of a specific service and for sure first payment ...
Cheers pap
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Xaver Aerni Gesendet: Freitag, 24. März 2006 10:52 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: AW: AW: [swinog] contract
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This is correct... But if you have a juristic Problem you need "Beweise". And Webmails and all this protocols are the same like faxes.
- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Gabriel Ambuehl Gesendet: Freitag, 24. März 2006 10:08 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: AW: [swinog] contract
On Friday 24 March 2006 09:41, Xaver Aerni wrote:
- In juristical E-Mailforms are not a contract. The best
way is you
send a contract by post... Like all other Providers like Swisscom, Sunrise, etc. Than are you shure, that the contract is ok. Only on Web... I think you will have some difficutes...
IANAL, but I don't think that's entirely correct: by Swiss law, most contracts don't require any specific form (just agreement over the terms). They can be made orally (not leaving any trace, really), on phone, by letter, under circumstances even by just ACTING like you agreed (i.e. mail order business that sends you goods after you've ordered them) and by extension most likely by email as well.
There's a select number of contracts that need a specific form (for instance, buying real estate) but far and by large, people are free to make them in any form they like.
Another example: buying something in Migros makes you and Migros enter a contract by law (Kaufvertrag), even though neither one of you actually does say so.
As for a German page: IIRC, Germany has a concept of a "Taschengeldparagraph" which basically should allow minors to enter contracts as far as their allowances can cover them.
regards, Gabriel
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