Hi there!
Thanks for the answers. I've tried to call KOBIK, but they have a) no direct phone number and b) give no answers on the phone. Not very motivating of an ISP who wants to make a good job.
However, i've entered the form at http://www.cybercrime.admin.ch/content/kobik/de/home/meldeformular.html and now we wait and see.
If i'm allowed to publicly post the answer from them, i'll do so when it arrives.
Best wishes & happy weekend, Matthias
----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Fink To: Matthias Hertzog Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
hosting might not be the issue, running might be butt hat's your customer's problem...
On 28.09.2012, at 15:32, Matthias Hertzog m.hertzog@mhs.ch wrote:
Hi folks
We've got a request from a potential client if we're able to host a bet website in switzerland. It's about sports and looks like Toto-X. Is it legal for us as ISP to host such a site? I know the rules when porn is involved, but habe no informations about bet websites.
Thanks for your answers & have a nice weekend, Matthias
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There is a very recent invention for this type of question. It's called a lawyer. Some of them even have web sites and can be reached by email.
Even more interesting I remember some of them specializing in Internet related things and giving presentations at SWINOG meetings some time back.
The bad news is they want some money for their expertise and knowledge. It's not for free like Firefox, Linux or MySQL. Or web-hosting and DSL access... Maybe I mixed something up here...
To give you a hint on the answer to your question: Many moons ago the Spielbankenkomission sent a letter to many ISP demanding (not just requesting) to block access to *all* money gambling and betting sites on the Internet. Non-compliance of blocking was said to be as bad as running such an illegal site yourself. You know, many years in government sponsored wellness club with heavily filtrated air...
KOBIK never gives feedback on tips or questions you give them.
Oh, and Altavista'ing for "glücksspiel internet schweiz" 1st hit would have given you the answer immediately.
Hi Andre
Thanks for your answer. As far i could see in the last years, the answers on this list are of a much higher quality than Google's.
Best wishes, Matthias
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Oppermann" oppermann@networx.ch To: "Matthias Hertzog" m.hertzog@mhs.ch Cc: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
There is a very recent invention for this type of question. It's called a lawyer. Some of them even have web sites and can be reached by email.
Even more interesting I remember some of them specializing in Internet related things and giving presentations at SWINOG meetings some time back.
The bad news is they want some money for their expertise and knowledge. It's not for free like Firefox, Linux or MySQL. Or web-hosting and DSL access... Maybe I mixed something up here...
To give you a hint on the answer to your question: Many moons ago the Spielbankenkomission sent a letter to many ISP demanding (not just requesting) to block access to *all* money gambling and betting sites on the Internet. Non-compliance of blocking was said to be as bad as running such an illegal site yourself. You know, many years in government sponsored wellness club with heavily filtrated air...
KOBIK never gives feedback on tips or questions you give them.
Oh, and Altavista'ing for "glücksspiel internet schweiz" 1st hit would have given you the answer immediately.
-- Andre
On 28.09.2012 16:31, Matthias Hertzog wrote:
Hi there!
Thanks for the answers. I've tried to call KOBIK, but they have a) no direct phone number and b) give no answers on the phone. Not very motivating of an ISP who wants to make a good job.
However, i've entered the form at http://www.cybercrime.admin.ch/content/kobik/de/home/meldeformular.html and now we wait and see.
If i'm allowed to publicly post the answer from them, i'll do so when it arrives.
Best wishes & happy weekend, Matthias
----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Fink To: Matthias Hertzog Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
hosting might not be the issue, running might be butt hat's your customer's problem...
On 28.09.2012, at 15:32, Matthias Hertzog m.hertzog@mhs.ch wrote:
Hi folks
We've got a request from a potential client if we're able to host a bet website in switzerland. It's about sports and looks like Toto-X. Is it legal for us as ISP to host such a site? I know the rules when porn is involved, but habe no informations about bet websites.
Thanks for your answers & have a nice weekend, Matthias
mhs @ internet AG Zürcherstrasse 204, CH - 9014 St. Gallen Phone +41 71 274 93 93, Fax +41 71 274 93 94 http://www.mhs.ch _________________________________________
swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Hi Matthias, et al on the list
I understand your reasons. I was being snarky/funny because you've tried to outsource a elementary business function (your own judgement) to this list without first doing a minimal effort at researching the issue yourself.
Before you waste 5 minutes of (N * subscribers) of this list time you should spend at least 5 minutes of your own time googling the issue first. Yes, you may have to try different search phrases and you may have to click the next button to get to the second page to find something relevant for your case.
Only if the answer isn't there after trying for a bit, or you're still horribly confused because of conflicting information asking the list is appropriate.
I took objection to your original mail because of "potential customer is asking whether bla is legal". You're the one winning the customer when the answer is yes. So we can expect you to at least do some classic pre-sale homework yourself at your own cost first. Or have your secretary do it. Or your lawyer.
Hi Andre
We can stop the discussion here. I've made a lot of effort to figure out myself .... but i did this the official way, not by google to find some non-backed answers.
EOT.
Matthias
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Oppermann" oppermann@networx.ch To: "Matthias Hertzog" m.hertzog@mhs.ch Cc: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
Hi Matthias, et al on the list
I understand your reasons. I was being snarky/funny because you've tried to outsource a elementary business function (your own judgement) to this list without first doing a minimal effort at researching the issue yourself.
Before you waste 5 minutes of (N * subscribers) of this list time you should spend at least 5 minutes of your own time googling the issue first. Yes, you may have to try different search phrases and you may have to click the next button to get to the second page to find something relevant for your case.
Only if the answer isn't there after trying for a bit, or you're still horribly confused because of conflicting information asking the list is appropriate.
I took objection to your original mail because of "potential customer is asking whether bla is legal". You're the one winning the customer when the answer is yes. So we can expect you to at least do some classic pre-sale homework yourself at your own cost first. Or have your secretary do it. Or your lawyer.
-- Andre
On 01.10.2012 08:19, Matthias Hertzog wrote:
Hi Andre
Thanks for your answer. As far i could see in the last years, the answers on this list are of a much higher quality than Google's.
Best wishes, Matthias
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Oppermann" oppermann@networx.ch To: "Matthias Hertzog" m.hertzog@mhs.ch Cc: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
There is a very recent invention for this type of question. It's called a lawyer. Some of them even have web sites and can be reached by email.
Even more interesting I remember some of them specializing in Internet related things and giving presentations at SWINOG meetings some time back.
The bad news is they want some money for their expertise and knowledge. It's not for free like Firefox, Linux or MySQL. Or web-hosting and DSL access... Maybe I mixed something up here...
To give you a hint on the answer to your question: Many moons ago the Spielbankenkomission sent a letter to many ISP demanding (not just requesting) to block access to *all* money gambling and betting sites on the Internet. Non-compliance of blocking was said to be as bad as running such an illegal site yourself. You know, many years in government sponsored wellness club with heavily filtrated air...
KOBIK never gives feedback on tips or questions you give them.
Oh, and Altavista'ing for "glücksspiel internet schweiz" 1st hit would have given you the answer immediately.
-- Andre
On 28.09.2012 16:31, Matthias Hertzog wrote:
Hi there!
Thanks for the answers. I've tried to call KOBIK, but they have a) no direct phone number and b) give no answers on the phone. Not very motivating of an ISP who wants to make a good job.
However, i've entered the form at http://www.cybercrime.admin.ch/content/kobik/de/home/meldeformular.html and now we wait and see.
If i'm allowed to publicly post the answer from them, i'll do so when it arrives.
Best wishes & happy weekend, Matthias
----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Fink To: Matthias Hertzog Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
hosting might not be the issue, running might be butt hat's your customer's problem...
On 28.09.2012, at 15:32, Matthias Hertzog m.hertzog@mhs.ch wrote:
Hi folks
We've got a request from a potential client if we're able to host a bet website in switzerland. It's about sports and looks like Toto-X. Is it legal for us as ISP to host such a site? I know the rules when porn is involved, but habe no informations about bet websites.
Thanks for your answers & have a nice weekend, Matthias
mhs @ internet AG Zürcherstrasse 204, CH - 9014 St. Gallen Phone +41 71 274 93 93, Fax +41 71 274 93 94 http://www.mhs.ch _________________________________________
swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
On 01.10.2012 10:29, Matthias Hertzog wrote:
Hi Andre
We can stop the discussion here. I've made a lot of effort to figure out myself .... but i did this the official way, not by google to find some non-backed answers.
Oh great. You want to share the result with us all so we can learn something after spending all the time helping you out?
Yes, that's what i've announced already to the list last week.
En Guete, Matthias
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Oppermann" oppermann@networx.ch To: "Matthias Hertzog" m.hertzog@mhs.ch Cc: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
On 01.10.2012 10:29, Matthias Hertzog wrote:
Hi Andre
We can stop the discussion here. I've made a lot of effort to figure out myself .... but i did this the official way, not by google to find some non-backed answers.
Oh great. You want to share the result with us all so we can learn something after spending all the time helping you out?
-- Andre
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