Here we are again and for the exact same case!
Shall we just copy/paste the Rekurs/recours we sent last time ? Shall we use the last case as precedence-case ? (since we actually won).
Again, they are acting like #$%^$#.... like we're bored and have nothing else to take care about.
Sunrise lawyers did a pretty good job last time, can we count on you ?
PS: If you dont understand anything here, you are not concerned.
Pascal
did the law changed? if not: proceed as last time...
-steven
-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Pascal Gloor Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:27 PM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites
Here we are again and for the exact same case!
Shall we just copy/paste the Rekurs/recours we sent last time ? Shall we use the last case as precedence-case ? (since we actually won).
Again, they are acting like #$%^$#.... like we're bored and have nothing else to take care about.
Sunrise lawyers did a pretty good job last time, can we count on you ?
PS: If you dont understand anything here, you are not concerned.
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I'm really astonished to see that this private war between Gerhard Ulrich and the Judges of Vaud is still going on....
And again we'll not take any actions and this time we'll not give them an introduction lesson in how the internet works (which I tried w/o success last time.....)
-Patrick
I'm really astonished to see that this private war between Gerhard Ulrich and the Judges of Vaud is still going on....
Yeah, you know, justice is a quick process ;-)
And again we'll not take any actions and this time we'll not give them an introduction lesson in how the internet works (which I tried w/o success last time.....)
Ohhh you said that on a public list ;-)
Anyway, they should ask Fedpol to add them on their pedo-banned-url- list so bluewin will block it. If Fedpol cant legally force us to block URLs, I really dont see how a State court could force us to block a few sites which basicly state 'bad guy says overall the internet that good guy is a bad guy', and since the 'good guys' are part of the justice itself, its kind of normal they turn crazy and make such impossible/unlogical/nonsense requests... (that was a long sentence, anyone follows? :P)
P.
This is important stuff, we cannot let them do.
We need a coordinated response and time is short.
I kindly ask all members who received the Order and are members of ASUT, to contact them and ask them to take the coordination job.
Prof. Schwarzenegger (presenation at SwiNOG few years ago) is ready to help in the case (he is "THE" Internet-Justice guru) ;-)
P.
Am Donnerstag, 20. Dezember 2007 14:59 schrieb Pascal Gloor:
And again we'll not take any actions and this time we'll not give them an introduction lesson in how the internet works (which I tried w/o success last time.....)
Ohhh you said that on a public list ;-)
Anyway, they should ask Fedpol to add them on their pedo-banned-url- list so bluewin will block it.
Perfekt, that's the exact reason why I don't like censorship. You can't know if they only censor the really bad stuff or everything they don't like.
Peter
I ask you have all ISP's receive this letter. I know 3 ISP' in Zuerich or St. Gallen, they haven't received it.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Pascal Gloor Gesendet: Montag, 24. Dezember 2007 10:45 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites - more in the press !
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Happy New Year to everyone :-)
Are there any news on this? We have also received the letter. Is there a standard reply to send? Or can we just ignore the letter?
regards -Manuel
Il giorno 25-dic-07, alle ore 15:27, Xaver Aerni ha scritto:
I ask you have all ISP's receive this letter. I know 3 ISP' in Zuerich or St. Gallen, they haven't received it.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Pascal Gloor Gesendet: Montag, 24. Dezember 2007 10:45 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites - more in the press !
Hi Manuel
I'm not a lawyer. But I guess ignoring wouldn't be a good idea.
Cheers Günti
-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Manuel Wenger Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:09 AM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites
Happy New Year to everyone :-)
Are there any news on this? We have also received the letter. Is there a standard reply to send? Or can we just ignore the letter?
regards -Manuel
Il giorno 25-dic-07, alle ore 15:27, Xaver Aerni ha scritto:
I ask you have all ISP's receive this letter. I know 3 ISP' in Zuerich or St. Gallen, they haven't received it.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Pascal Gloor Gesendet: Montag, 24. Dezember 2007 10:45 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites - more in the press !
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I am a lawyer and thinking about writing an article about ISP responsibility. This order might be an ideal example to illustrate the legal uncertainty in this field. Would anyone be ready to send me a copy?
Regards, Christa
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Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch im Auftrag von Robert.Guentensperger@swisscom.com Gesendet: Mo 07.01.2008 09:36 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: RE: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites
Hi Manuel
I'm not a lawyer. But I guess ignoring wouldn't be a good idea.
Cheers Günti
-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Manuel Wenger Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:09 AM To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites
Happy New Year to everyone :-)
Are there any news on this? We have also received the letter. Is there a standard reply to send? Or can we just ignore the letter?
regards -Manuel
Il giorno 25-dic-07, alle ore 15:27, Xaver Aerni ha scritto:
I ask you have all ISP's receive this letter. I know 3 ISP' in Zuerich or St. Gallen, they haven't received it.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Pascal Gloor Gesendet: Montag, 24. Dezember 2007 10:45 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites - more in the press !
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I've sent you a copy. It would certainly be nice to have an article about ISP responsibility...
regards Manuel
Il giorno 7-gen-08, alle ore 12:17, Christa Pfister ha scritto:
I am a lawyer and thinking about writing an article about ISP responsibility. This order might be an ideal example to illustrate the legal uncertainty in this field. Would anyone be ready to send me a copy?
Regards, Christa
Thanks to the two of you who sent me the order. I will try to find time to write an article for a legal journal, since I think ISP responsibility (or more precisely the limits of responsibility) is an issue which has been neglected by the legislator in spite of its importance. I'll let you know when it's published.
Christa
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Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch im Auftrag von Rene Luria Gesendet: Mo 07.01.2008 15:22 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Justice Order to block websites
Manuel Wenger wrote:
I've sent you a copy. It would certainly be nice to have an article about ISP responsibility...
or not to have any responsability at all
Pascal Gloor [Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 12:26:49PM +0100]:
Here we are again and for the exact same case!
I'm on holiday currently but would like to know what you are doing, so would be happy if you report progress here.
I really hope there will be some cases, closed for sucess of us isp, which show that even the attempt of that kind of censorship makes no sense.
Nico
P.S.: Copy & Paste for the win ;-)
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