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PCH peering survey 2016
by Bill Woodcock 15 Sep '16

15 Sep '16

Background: Five years ago PCH conducted the first, and to date only, comprehensive survey characterizing Internet peering agreements. The document that resulted can be found here: https://www.pch.net/resources/Papers/peering-survey/PCH-Peering-Survey-2011… <https://www.pch.net/resources/Papers/peering-survey/PCH-Peering-Survey-2011…> That document was one of the principal inputs to an important document that the OECD publishes every five years, one that recommends communications regulatory policy to OECD member nations: http://www.oecd.org/officialdocuments/publicdisplaydocumentpdf/?cote=DSTI/I… <http://www.oecd.org/officialdocuments/publicdisplaydocumentpdf/?cote=DSTI/I…> The survey had several useful findings which hadn’t previously been established as fact—most notably the portion of peering relationships that are “handshake” agreements, without written contract. These findings have improved the regulatory environments in which many of us operate our networks. At the time of the 2011 survey, we committed to repeating the survey every five years, so as to provide an ongoing indication of the direction peering trends take. It’s now five years later, so we’re repeating the survey. The survey is global in scope, and our goal is to reflect the diversity of peering agreements in the world; we’re interested in large ISPs and small ISPs, ISPs in Afghanistan and in Zimbabwe, bilateral agreements and multilateral, private and public. Our intent is to be as comprehensive as possible. In 2011, the responses we received represented 86% of all of the world’s ISPs and 96 countries. We would like to be at least as inclusive this time. Privacy: In 2011, we promised to collect the smallest set of data necessary to answer the questions, to perform the analysis immediately, and not to retain the data after the analysis was accomplished. In that way, we ensured that the privacy of respondents was fully protected. We did as we said, no data was leaked, and the whole community benefited from the trust that was extended to us. We ask for your trust again now as we make the same commitment to protect the privacy of all respondents, using the same process as last time. We are asking for no more data than is absolutely necessary. We will perform the analysis immediately upon receiving all of the data. We will delete the data once the analysis has been performed. The Survey: We would like to know the following five pieces of information relative to each Autonomous System you peer with: • Your ASN • Your peer’s ASN (peers only, not upstream transit providers or downstream customers) • Whether a written and signed peering agreement exists (the alternative being a less formal arrangement, such as a "handshake agreement") • Whether the terms are roughly symmetric (the alternative being that they describe an agreement with different terms for each of the two parties, such as one compensating the other, or one receiving more or fewer than full customer routes) • Whether a jurisdiction of governing law is defined • Whether IPv6 routes are being exchanged (this year, we’ll still assume that IPv4 are) The easiest way for us to receive the information is as a tab-text or CSV file or an Excel spreadsheet, consisting of rows with the following columns: Your ASN: Integer Peer ASN: Integer Written agreement: Boolean Symmetric: Boolean Governing Law: ISO 3166 two-digit country-code, or empty IPv6 Routes: Boolean For instance: 42 <tab> 715 <tab> false <tab> true <tab> us <tab> true <cr> 42 <tab> 3856 <tab> true <tab> true <tab> us <tab> true <cr> We are asking for the ASNs only so we can avoid double-counting a single pair of peers when we hear from both of them, and so that when we hear about a relationship in responses from both peers we can see how closely the two responses match, an important check on the quality of the survey. As soon as we've collated the data, we'll strip the ASNs to protect privacy, and only the final aggregate statistics will be published. We will never disclose any ASN or any information about any ASN. We already have more than 8,000 ASN-pair relationships documented, and we hope to receive as many more as possible. We'd like to finish collecting data by the end of September, about two weeks from now. If you’re peering with an MLPA route-server, you’re welcome to include just the route-server’s ASN, if that’s easiest, rather than trying to include each of the peer ASNs on the other side of the route-server. Either way is fine. If all of your sessions have the same characteristics, you can just tell us what those characteristics are once, your own ASN once, and give us a simple list of your peer ASNs. If your number of peers is small enough to be pasted or typed into an email, rather than attached as a file, and that’s simpler, just go ahead and do that. If you have written peering agreements that are covered by non-disclosure agreements, or if your organizational policy precludes disclosing your peers, but you’d still like to participate in the survey, please let us know, and we’ll work with whatever information you’re able to give us and try to ensure that your practices are statistically represented in our results. If you're able to help us, please email me the data in whatever form you can. If you need a non-disclosure, we're happy to sign one. Finally, if there are any other questions you’d like to see answered in the future, please let us know so that we can consider addressing them in the 2021 survey. The question about IPv6 routing in this year’s survey is there because quite a few of the 2011 respondents asked us to include it this time. Please respond by replying to this email, before the end of September. Thank you for considering participating. We very much appreciate it, and we look forward to returning the results to the community. -Bill Woodcock Executive Director Packet Clearing House

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Offtopic: Servers that companies throw out? :)
by Mihai Tanasescu 12 Sep '16

12 Sep '16

Hi guys, I am shooting an offtopic, wild question.. though I kind of guess what the answers might be. Where are the big companies recycling / throwing away their servers? I am looking to build a mini lab for playing with various stuff ranging from Cisco Virl to VMware NSX and I also have to my luck a place to rack equipment free of charge with me only paying for electricity. The only missing piece is a server with enough RAM and I was looking into cheaper alternatives (already looked in ricardo and ebay but was wondering where companies throw their older tech). Can someone please enlighten me? Cheers, Mihai

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ICT "Archaeology" at Technopark Zurich
by Rolf Sommerhalder 11 Sep '16

11 Sep '16

Hello SwiNOGers, At Technopark in Zurich, where I work for a small startup, there is still no native IPv6 connectivity available. From what I gather, some of the other 300 companies in this compound also struggle to get decent Internet connectivity. To the extent that some, including ourselves, resort to using flat-rate unlimited wireless 4G/LTE connections. Which is an acceptable work-around for resilience and off-loading traffic that is not sensitive to higher latency, such as e-mail, bulk up-/downloads, streaming, or off-site backup... Although there is an inversion going on where transmissions migrate to wireless which traditionally were cable-bound (for ex. telephony), and vice-versa (for ex. broadcasting), I started digging a bit into the history: Until at least 2008, Swisscom had a "National MPLS Lab" full of Cisco gear in a room right next to our offices. If I recall correctly, Swisscom had set this Lab up after it had acquired Xmit and the Unisource alliance broke up. From that Lab at Technopark, there were trunks of fibers running directly to Swisscom's large facilities in Herdern and in Binz. But so far, I was unable to locate those fibers. Were they really ripped out, or are they still there? Or, were they just abandoned? But who owns them? Could we illuminate a pair, or two? Further research indicates IXEurope had setup _two_ Data Centers at Technopark where they operated Telehouse Internet Exchanges (TIX) in 2005/2006 [1, 2]. Until at least 2007, when Equinix had acquired TIX/IXEurope [3]. What happened to the two Data Centers at Technopark? Did Equinix move the TIX to its other colos in/near Zurich? Did the "over 60 ISPs" move who were apparently peering at TIX? Could we illuminate just a pair of the bunch of fibers that likely are still buried between Technopark and Hardstrasse 235, or Josephstrasse, etc.? Apparently, at least COLT still maintains a PoP at Technopark with fat pipes (likely from the TIX area). But so far, we were unable to get an offer for IP Transit from them, or their re-sellers. Also Rackspace has at least offices in a building adjacent to Technopark. Back in 2007/8, there were rumors that Google was building a data center nearby (cooled by water from the river Limmat). We just became a RIPE member and got our IPv4/6 PA allocations and an AS Number as a LIR. Now, I am looking at our options to get cost-effective IPv4/6 Internet connectivity for our offices at Technopark, as well as scalable IP Transit and/or co-location with housing for our physical server appliances in two geo-redundant data centers in or near Zurich. For example, it would be great to peer at SwissIX, provided that we can find some affordable L2/3 transport between Technopark and Josephstrasse, which is literally just up the road. Thanks for any hints what happened to those resources at Technopark (TIX, Data Centers, transmission lines, etc.) since 2008 while I was working abroad, Rolf [1] IXEurope Connects Switzerland's Internet Exchange Points http://www.equinix.ch/newsroom/press-releases/pr/123269/ixeurope-connects-s… [2] IXEurope Expands Swiss Datacentre Footprint http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/08/prweb419626.htm [3] IXEurope Acquired by Equinix https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/06/28/ixeurope_acquired_by_equinix.…

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Re: [swinog] Colocation of PC Engines APU2 with BGP feed
by Pascal Mathis 11 Sep '16

11 Sep '16

Nice to meet you. Generally speaking I think that a VM with a sufficient CPU and 4GB of RAM is not going to be cheaper, especially not in Switzerland. Also, VMs dont usually come with an IX port, so that's another thing I would miss out. Last but not least, I prefer to run stuff on owned/real hardware. An APU2 seems perfect for my needs without breaking my budget. Got two offers so far which are promising, so just waiting a bit longer to collect some potential further offers. Thank you anyways for your suggestions! On 09/11/2016 03:53 AM, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > (I'm the author of Debian installer for APU :-) > > I know two or three potential places where you could have this, but a VM > will be preferable, just not to clutter the rack space. > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Stanislav Sinyagin > <ssinyagin(a)k-open.com <mailto:ssinyagin@k-open.com>> wrote: > > why not a virtual machine? It would be cheaper than placing a > hardware box. > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Pascal Mathis > <mailinglist+swinog(a)snapserv.net > <mailto:mailinglist+swinog@snapserv.net>> wrote: > > Dear SwiNOGers, > > for a personal project I would be interested in colocating a PC > Engines > APU2 somewhere in Switzerland with the following specifications: > > - Colocation of a single APU2 in the usual PC Engines case - I > do not > need physical access to the DC, actually sending the fully > configured > machine so that someone can rack it would be preferred. > > - BGP session with IPv4 + IPv6 fulltable feeds and working > communities. > > - Gigabit port, 1 to 5TB of traffic included, but most of the > time less > than 200-300G are going to be used per month, so smaller offers > should > work out as well. > > - Optional: A port to SwissIX would be really great, of course I > would > pay any interconnect fees (and the usual membership fees to > SwissIX). > > I am already familiar with BGP and am currently operating my primary > location in Frankfurt, Germany. No SLA required, price should be as > cheap as possible - I do not need any enterprise support or > something > like that. > > For people who don't know what a APU2 is, you can find more > information > here http://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm > <http://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm> (the machine itself) and > http://www.pcengines.ch/case1d2blku.htm > <http://www.pcengines.ch/case1d2blku.htm> (the case, > 17cmx16cmx3cm). I > know that I am asking for a lot, but I thought if someone is able to > offer something like that for a reasonable price which can be > paid by an > individual, I'll most likely find him/her on SwiNOG. > > If you have any offers or further questions, please reply to the > mailinglist or directly contact me at ncc(a)snapserv.net > <mailto:ncc@snapserv.net>. > > Best regards and have a nice sunday, > Pascal Mathis > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch <mailto:swinog@lists.swinog.ch> > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > <http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog> > > > > > -- > Stanislav Sinyagin > Senior Consultant, CCIE #5478 > ssinyagin(a)k-open.com <mailto:ssinyagin@k-open.com> > +41 79 407 0224 <tel:%2B41%2079%20407%200224> > > > > > -- > Stanislav Sinyagin > Senior Consultant, CCIE #5478 > ssinyagin(a)k-open.com <mailto:ssinyagin@k-open.com> > +41 79 407 0224

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Colocation of PC Engines APU2 with BGP feed
by Pascal Mathis 10 Sep '16

10 Sep '16

Dear SwiNOGers, for a personal project I would be interested in colocating a PC Engines APU2 somewhere in Switzerland with the following specifications: - Colocation of a single APU2 in the usual PC Engines case - I do not need physical access to the DC, actually sending the fully configured machine so that someone can rack it would be preferred. - BGP session with IPv4 + IPv6 fulltable feeds and working communities. - Gigabit port, 1 to 5TB of traffic included, but most of the time less than 200-300G are going to be used per month, so smaller offers should work out as well. - Optional: A port to SwissIX would be really great, of course I would pay any interconnect fees (and the usual membership fees to SwissIX). I am already familiar with BGP and am currently operating my primary location in Frankfurt, Germany. No SLA required, price should be as cheap as possible - I do not need any enterprise support or something like that. For people who don't know what a APU2 is, you can find more information here http://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm (the machine itself) and http://www.pcengines.ch/case1d2blku.htm (the case, 17cmx16cmx3cm). I know that I am asking for a lot, but I thought if someone is able to offer something like that for a reasonable price which can be paid by an individual, I'll most likely find him/her on SwiNOG. If you have any offers or further questions, please reply to the mailinglist or directly contact me at ncc(a)snapserv.net. Best regards and have a nice sunday, Pascal Mathis

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Joined SwissIX - SwiNOG-BE159 - Beer Event 159 @ Erzbierschof Zurich, Monday, 2016-09-26
by Emanuel Kleindienst 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

Dear SwissIXers & SwiNOGers, JOINED SwiNOG & SwissIX Beering Let's have some Beer & Food at Erzbierschof - an new location AGAIN!!! Upcoming events for rest of 2016: > SwiNOG-BE160: Mo, 24.10.16 > SwiNOG-BE161: Mo, 28.11.16 > SwiNOG-BE162: Mo, 12.12.16 (Christmas dinner) Looking forward seeing you! Emanuel, mobile +41 79 382 73 77, Email emanuel(a)vshn.ch Details for the next event: ----------------------------------------------- Event: Joined SwissIX - SwiNOG-BE159 - Beer Event 159 When? Monday, 26th September 2016 18:30 Where? Erzbierschof Freischuetzgasse 10, 8004 Zurich http://blackrider.erzbierschof.ch/ (GoogleMaps Link: http://https://goo.gl/maps/va7vLZkHngy) Places available? 35 !! Please sign up if you're really coming - because the seats are limited! !! ----------------------------------------------- Registration: Start: Friday, 2nd September 2016 - 14:20 Stop: Monday, 26th September 2016 - 17:00 Reg-URL: http://swinog.be/ ----------------------------------------------- Since we have to make reservations, I need to know who's coming and who not. If you can't attend and you're registered please inform me ASAP (+41 79 382 73 77). Cheers, Emanuel Kleindienst

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