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> Subject: swinog Digest, Vol 65, Issue 13
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> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:00:01 +0200
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> 1. Re: www.eda.admin.ch down? (Peter Keel)
> 2. Probleme mit Resolving nic.ch (Klaus Ethgen)
> 3. Re: Probleme mit Resolving nic.ch (Pim van Pelt)
> 4. Re: Probleme mit Resolving nic.ch (Steven Glogger)
> 5. Re: Probleme mit Resolving nic.ch (Beat Siegenthaler)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 07:01:04 +0200
> From: Peter Keel <seegras(a)discordia.ch>
> Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
> To: swinog(a)swinog.ch
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> * on the Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 02:11:30AM +0200, Linus Wegmann wrote:
> > I understand now about the ICMP blocking... i guess it's because they
> > wanna protect from DoS attacks (or other frauds)....
>
> Actually, it's because they don't understand IP.
> http://www.phildev.net/mss/mss-talk.pdf
>
> Cheers
> Seegras
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> likely to end up with neither." -- Bruce Schneier
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:22:41 +0100
> From: Klaus Ethgen <Klaus+swinog(a)ethgen.de>
> Subject: [swinog] Probleme mit Resolving nic.ch
> To: swinog(a)swinog.ch
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> Hi,
>
> ich habe seit einiger Zeit auf allen meinen Nameservern Probleme, die
> komplette Zone nic.ch zu resolven. Diese Probleme beschr?nken sich
> ausschlie?lich auf nic.ch, mir ist keine andere Zone aufgefallen, die
> Probleme macht. Vermutlich treten die Probleme seit September 2009, also
> mit Umstellung auf DNSSec, auf. (Ich kann es leider nicht hundertprozent
> genau datieren.)
>
> Nach einigen Debuggingschritten bin ich etwas ratlos. Meine Firewall
> l??t in beiden F?llen (bei jeweils auch einem komplett anderen Provider)
> alles durch, was Port 53 anbelangt. Auch ein Ausschalten der Firewall
> bringt die selben ergebnisse. Auch ein Test mit verschiedenen anderen
> DNSSec-Domainen, auch solchen, die gro? sind und somit fragmentiert
> werden (sollten, meine MTU ist 1500), stellen keine Probleme dar. Ein
> tcpdump zeigt aber recht schnell, da? von den UDP-Paketen von nic.ch
> immer nur das erste ankommt und alle weiteren nicht auf meinem
> Netzwerkinterface aufschlagen.
>
> Nun meine Frage: Hat oder hatte jemand von euch schon ?hnliche Probleme
> und wie wurden sie behoben? Wenn es sich bei nic.ch um eine unwichtige
> Domain handeln w?rde, w?re es mir ja egal, aber sie ist ja doch nicht
> ganz so unwichtig.
>
> Gru?
> Klaus Ethgen
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:39:24 +0200
> From: Pim van Pelt <pim(a)ipng.nl>
> Subject: Re: [swinog] Probleme mit Resolving nic.ch
> To: Klaus Ethgen <Klaus+swinog(a)ethgen.de>
> Cc: swinog(a)swinog.ch
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> Does your firewall also allow egress tcp sessions on port 53?
> Can you run tcpdump while trying to resolve? And what address(es)
> specifically fail for you?
>
hi all
since a while this evening i can't access www.eda.admin.ch anymore.
(dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch)
no reply of dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch (162.23.6.139)
does anyone know about this issue?
greets, Linus
culd be the reason bakend backborn or blocking firewall,
check ladbalancer is working properly
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> 1. Re: www.eda.admin.ch down? (Linus Wegmann)
> 2. Re: www.eda.admin.ch down? (Gregory Agerba)
> 3. Re: www.eda.admin.ch down? (Linus Wegmann)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:14:25 +0200
> From: Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
> Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
> To: Gregory Agerba <gregory.agerba(a)gmail.com>, swinog(a)swinog.ch
> Message-ID: <4C180951.50101(a)gmx.ch>
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> Thanks Gregory
>
> but why is there no reply for an ICMP request?
> it sounds to me like no service is running on that server....
>
> good night to all!
> Linus
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
> From: Gregory Agerba <gregory.agerba(a)gmail.com>
> To: Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
> Date: 16.06.2010 01:04
> > Arnold meant on server side, not on your side. The server accepts the
> > connection, so there must be some software issue on the Confederation
> > application side.
> >
> > 'night
> >
> > Gregory
> >
> > 2010/6/16 Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch
> > <mailto:linus.wegmann@gmx.ch>>
> >
> > Hi Arnold
> > thanks for your reply
> > but it stilll doesn't work
> >
> > linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> ping www.eda.admin.ch
> > <http://www.eda.admin.ch>
> > PING dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch <http://dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch>
> > (162.23.6.139) 56(84) bytes of data.
> > ^C
> > --- dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch <http://dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch> ping
> > statistics ---
> > 16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14999ms
> >
> > linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> telnet www.eda.admin.ch
> > <http://www.eda.admin.ch> 80
> >
> > Trying 162.23.6.139...
> > Connected to dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch <http://dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch>.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > Connection closed by foreign host.
> >
> > what am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Linus
> >
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 01:22:58 +0200
> From: Gregory Agerba <gregory.agerba(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
> To: Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
> Cc: swinog(a)swinog.ch
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> <AANLkTimIb9bQVOA51sRPiYTSRuEGM2pxpOY49VrnZCGC(a)mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Linus,
>
> It is not because ICMP does not reply that the server is down or having an
> issue :-)
>
> Often it is blocked to avoid security risks or for other reasons... If you
> check www.admin.ch, it won't answer ping but will work correctly. The only
> way to know if the server work is to actually establish a proper connection
> on the port 80 / 443 and make sure you get the content of the page you
> expected as you expected.
>
> This is probably a matter of software issue (anything from loadbalancer, to
> backend server daemon not working or any other error...).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gregory
>
>
>
> 2010/6/16 Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
>
> > Thanks Gregory
> >
> > but why is there no reply for an ICMP request?
> > it sounds to me like no service is running on that server....
> >
> > good night to all!
> >
> > Linus
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
> > From: Gregory Agerba <gregory.agerba(a)gmail.com>
> > To: Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
> > Date: 16.06.2010 01:04
> >
> >> Arnold meant on server side, not on your side. The server accepts the
> >> connection, so there must be some software issue on the Confederation
> >> application side.
> >>
> >> 'night
> >>
> >> Gregory
> >>
> >> 2010/6/16 Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch <mailto:
> >> linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Arnold
> >> thanks for your reply
> >> but it stilll doesn't work
> >>
> >> linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> ping www.eda.admin.ch
> >> <http://www.eda.admin.ch>
> >> PING dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch <http://dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch>
> >>
> >> (162.23.6.139) 56(84) bytes of data.
> >> ^C
> >> --- dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch <http://dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch> ping
> >>
> >> statistics ---
> >> 16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14999ms
> >>
> >> linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> telnet www.eda.admin.ch
> >> <http://www.eda.admin.ch> 80
> >>
> >>
> >> Trying 162.23.6.139...
> >> Connected to dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch <http://dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch>.
> >>
> >> Escape character is '^]'.
> >> Connection closed by foreign host.
> >>
> >> what am I doing wrong?
> >>
> >> Linus
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Linus Wegmann
> > Dornaustr. 4
> > 9477 Tr?bbach
> > Switzerland
> >
> > Tel. +41 81 740 24 75
> > Mobile +41 76 563 90 21
> > Email: linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch
> >
> >
> >
>
Hi Pascal
Thanks for your explanation!
I'm writing in english because this is the common language here on
Swinog ;-)
But i didn't know about they don't show email addresses anymore in the
WHOIS for .ch and .li domains. how it comes that it's like that?
Cheers and good night (i also prefer to wake up late in the morning :))
Linus
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
From: Q-X GmbH - Pascal Wagenhofer <wagenhofer(a)q-x.ch>
To: Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
Date: 16.06.2010 01:19
> Hi Linus
>
> Wenn Du damit einverstanden bist, schreibe ich Deutsch da wir uns ja in der Schweiz befinden. If you don't understand swiss german, please do not hesitate to write me again - and sorry ;-) .
>
> Es ist in der Schweiz bei .ch und .li-Domains bereits seit einigen Jahren so, dass im Whois keine E-Mailadresse mehr angezeigt wird. Es wird Dir wohl einfach nichts anderes übrig bleiben als zu warten, bis der Server wieder korrekt läuft. Möglicherweise sind Wartungsarbeiten im Gange oder der Server ist effektiv von einer Störung betroffen. Ich denke, dass heute früh um 09.00 Uhr alles wieder wie gewohnt zur Verfügung stehen wird (Informatiker sind halt langschläfer ;-) ). Bis dahin gibt es sicherlich noch sehr viele andere, Interessante, Internetseiten?! ;-)
>
> Viele Grüsse
> Pascal
>
> Freundliche Grüsse
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Linus Wegmann [mailto:linus.wegmann@gmx.ch]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2010 01:08
> An: Q-X GmbH - Pascal Wagenhofer; swinog(a)swinog.ch
> Betreff: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
>
> thanks Pascal
>
> of course i will wait till the morning...
> but there's no email contact on the whois database for admin.ch so i don't know who to contact...
> is that common not to give an email contact on the whois database?
>
> greets, Linus
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
> From: Q-X GmbH - Pascal Wagenhofer<wagenhofer(a)q-x.ch>
> To: Linus Wegmann<linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
> Date: 16.06.2010 00:59
>
>> Hello
>>
>> The Server is still down - please wait a few hours until the next try or otherwise you've to contact EDA on the official ways (Phone, E-Mail, whatever).
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Pascal
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch
>> [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Linus Wegmann
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2010 00:51
>> An: Arnold Nipper; swinog(a)swinog.ch
>> Betreff: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
>>
>> Hi Arnold
>> thanks for your reply
>> but it stilll doesn't work
>>
>> linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> ping www.eda.admin.ch PING dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch (162.23.6.139) 56(84) bytes of data.
>> ^C
>> --- dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch ping statistics ---
>> 16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14999ms
>>
>> linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> telnet www.eda.admin.ch 80 Trying 162.23.6.139...
>> Connected to dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch.
>> Escape character is '^]'.
>> Connection closed by foreign host.
>>
>> what am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Linus
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
>> From: Arnold Nipper<arnold(a)nipper.de>
>> To: Linus Wegmann<linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
>> Date: 16.06.2010 00:08
>>
>>
>>> On 15.06.2010 23:41 Linus Wegmann wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> since a while this evening i can't access www.eda.admin.ch anymore.
>>>> (dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch)
>>>> no reply of dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch (162.23.6.139) does anyone know
>>>> about this issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I guess restarting the daemon will fix it.
>>>
>>> telnet www.eda.admin.ch 80
>>> Trying 162.23.6.139...
>>> Connected to dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch.
>>> Escape character is '^]'.
>>> Connection closed by foreign host.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Arnold
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Dornaustr. 4
9477 Trübbach
Switzerland
Tel. +41 81 740 24 75
Mobile +41 76 563 90 21
Email: linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch
thanks Pascal
of course i will wait till the morning...
but there's no email contact on the whois database for admin.ch
so i don't know who to contact...
is that common not to give an email contact on the whois database?
greets, Linus
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
From: Q-X GmbH - Pascal Wagenhofer <wagenhofer(a)q-x.ch>
To: Linus Wegmann <linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
Date: 16.06.2010 00:59
> Hello
>
> The Server is still down - please wait a few hours until the next try or otherwise you've to contact EDA on the official ways (Phone, E-Mail, whatever).
>
> Kind regards
> Pascal
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Linus Wegmann
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Juni 2010 00:51
> An: Arnold Nipper; swinog(a)swinog.ch
> Betreff: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
>
> Hi Arnold
> thanks for your reply
> but it stilll doesn't work
>
> linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> ping www.eda.admin.ch PING dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch (162.23.6.139) 56(84) bytes of data.
> ^C
> --- dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch ping statistics ---
> 16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14999ms
>
> linus@tuxilap2:pts/4:~> telnet www.eda.admin.ch 80 Trying 162.23.6.139...
> Connected to dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> Connection closed by foreign host.
>
> what am I doing wrong?
>
> Linus
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [swinog] www.eda.admin.ch down?
> From: Arnold Nipper<arnold(a)nipper.de>
> To: Linus Wegmann<linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch>
> Date: 16.06.2010 00:08
>
>> On 15.06.2010 23:41 Linus Wegmann wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>> since a while this evening i can't access www.eda.admin.ch anymore.
>>> (dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch)
>>> no reply of dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch (162.23.6.139) does anyone know
>>> about this issue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I guess restarting the daemon will fix it.
>>
>> telnet www.eda.admin.ch 80
>> Trying 162.23.6.139...
>> Connected to dmzwg1-003.eda.admin.ch.
>> Escape character is '^]'.
>> Connection closed by foreign host.
>>
>>
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>>
>
>
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Dornaustr. 4
9477 Trübbach
Switzerland
Tel. +41 81 740 24 75
Mobile +41 76 563 90 21
Email: linus.wegmann(a)gmx.ch
Hi
Can you do us a favor and clear your DNS cache for cablecom.net.
Well the rest of the story you can already read in the press....it was not me :o)
Thanks
Philipp
PS: Sunrise is ongoing, Swisscom we still look for a contact.
Hello,
Does anybody knows in what city does Swisscom offer colocation and racks? I
am also looking for a contact from Swisscom Business Team (Sales).
Nice weekend to all.
Gregory
I see a lot of packet loss going over AS3303, any issues there ?
regards
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Can you do us a favor and clear your DNS cache for cablecom.net.
Well the rest of the story you can already read in the press....it was not me :o)
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Philipp
PS: Sunrise is ongoing, Swisscom we still look for a contact.
Root Zone DNSSEC Deployment
Technical Status Update 2010-06-09
This is the eighth of a series of technical status updates intended
to inform a technical audience on progress in signing the root zone
of the DNS.
RESOURCES
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We'd like to hear from you. If you have feedback for us, please
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PUBLIC NOTICE
The US Department of Commerce National Telecommunications and
Information Administration (NTIA) has issued a Public Notice regarding
the deployment of DNSSEC in the root zone.
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/frnotices/2010/FR_DNSSEC_Notice_06092010.pdf
The Public Notice makes reference to the final report submitted to
NTIA by ICANN and VeriSign which contains a summary of the project
work to date together with a recommendation that full deployment
should proceed.
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/reports/2010/DNSSEC_05282010.pdf
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2010-03-24: D, K, E start to serve DURZ
2010-04-14: B, H, C, G, F start to serve DURZ
2010-05-05: J starts to serve DURZ
To come:
2010-06-16: First Key Signing Key (KSK) Ceremony
2010-07-15: Distribution of validatable, production, signed root
zone; publication of root zone trust anchor
(Please note that this schedule is tentative and subject to change
based on testing results or other unforeseen factors.)