swinog October 2008

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

> From: Martin Ebnoether <ventilator(a)semmel.ch> > All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows > update of some thousand computers. > > Remember last summer? > http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819 hey Venty, long time no see :) if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :) If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Scott Weeks 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

I can't resist. "...if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that..." Only from the unknowledgeable that don't control Javascript (NoScript), flash (etc.), cookies or 'stuff'. Therefore, you have skewed stats. "...There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them..." Yes, there is. scott -----------------------

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Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Marc, the goal is not to build it from commodity parts, but to learn how to build such systems in general :) >From scratch, starting with custom kernel build, then tailored busybox, then web management and stuff... that's what I call open source: working with the source :-) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Marc SCHAEFER <schaefer(a)alphanet.ch> > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 6:56:06 PM > Subject: Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 04:50:34AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > > My first mini-project is to build a small Wifi (or even Bluetooth?) > > hotspot (only for home use, of course) which would take its Internet feed > > from one of those mobile USB GPS modems that you get for few francs a month > > from Swisscom or Sunrise. > > It is quite easy to do with the WL-500g WiFi access point, which has the > advantage of > > a) being compatible with standard systems (e.g. DD-WRT GNU/Linux) > > b) having an USB port you can plug the Swisscom Unlimited dongle > inside (the one which pretends to be a CD-ROM, uh, a tty) > > I think it costs about 120.-. I have done it, and it works (routing the > Swisscom Unlimited net to the internal switch, not the WiFi, in my case) > > PS: the discussion on OSS gets annoying. Use whatever tool you find > appropriate, as long as you can fix it when required. > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

ok guys, now some real stuff :) I've got one of these boards http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4514239441.html in order to practice my skills in embedded linux applications. My first mini-project is to build a small Wifi (or even Bluetooth?) hotspot (only for home use, of course) which would take its Internet feed from one of those mobile USB GPS modems that you get for few francs a month from Swisscom or Sunrise. any ideas what else could be an interesting project? Or probably you have a real project in mind? cheers, stan

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Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

----- Original Message ---- > From: Bernard Dugas <bernard.dugas(a)is-production.com> > I was answering to "ideas" question, no sponsoring question :-) what you described is actually a) quite expensive to build. I would estimate the development work as few hundred thousand euro, if not more -- if we're talking of a consumer-ready product, not just a bunch of sources everyone is free to compile at his own risk :) b) is what the car manufacturers should sponsor, as it's them who is interested in selling more cars with luxury options like you've mentioned :)

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Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

Bernard, this one looks really nice. If you've got the sponsoring, then I'm in :) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bernard Dugas <bernard.dugas(a)is-production.com> > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 2:18:29 PM > Subject: Re: [swinog] Embedded Linux practicing > > Hello, > > Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > > any ideas what else could be an interesting project? Or probably you have a > > real project in mind? > > What about : > - a device that would be installed in cars , > - to build a mesh wifi 2.45GHz between cars, > - and a 5.4GHz to some external relays when available, > - to allow for transmission between cars of : > . fast alarm (strong acceleration/deccelaration) ; > . relative positionning ; > . voip diffusion to close cars ; > . engine technical parameters (for maintenance) ; > - and dynamic internet relaying to closer external relays ; > - available with open source (Linux+bsd). > > ? > > Best regards, > -- > __Bernard DUGAS _________________________________________________ > | IS Production s.a. Innovative Solutions Production | > | Technoparc Pays de Gex bernard.dugas(a)is-production.com | > | 30 Rue Auguste Piccard Mob.: +33 615 333 770 | > | 01630 St Genis Pouilly - FRANCE - Fax : +33 450 205 106 | > |_________________________________________________________________| > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

> > why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? > > Will that work with my <enter your chosen OS here>? well, almost :) http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/ > > I think more people on this list have skype than IRC > > client software (me, for example :-) > > It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for > pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. > Reason enough? ;) almost anyone uses skype anyway, so why bother :) Roger>> IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link... show me a satellite link in Switzerland :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

> I've never used a satellite link before.... haha :D but why use skype > with it's big overhead when you just need to exchange some plain text > information...? actually I use skype mostly for text chatting, and it works great :) I know some small businesses where skype is the primary way of communication, and they even publish it on their contacts webpage instead of phone numbers :-) Regarding the security -- you just don't have to use public channels for secure information. Your brain is your best firewall :-) so, I don't care much about an closed-source application which works for 99% of my needs (although I do prefer open source software at the server side :-)

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

it was about chat (plain text chat), not a conference call :-) ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tonnerre Lombard <tonnerre(a)bsdprojects.net> > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 12:13:36 AM > Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? > > Salut, Stanislav, > > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > > why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? > > Why do you want to hear us snore? > > Tonnerre

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Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
by Stanislav Sinyagin 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

----- Original Message ---- > From: Peter Keel <seegras(a)discordia.ch> > ... déformation professionelle... so where's your PGP signature? :-)

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