swinog September 2006

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AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
by Mike Kellenberger 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

Hey cool, my packets to our server at init7 as a cablecom customer travel from winterthur over half europe to zürich now :-( Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.10.1 2 * 7 ms 7 ms 62-2-80-229.static.cablecom.ch [62.2.80.229] 3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.219.224.1 4 32 ms * * ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 5 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 6 40 ms 39 ms 42 ms nl-ams01a-rd1-ge-4-1.aorta.net [213.46.160.25] 7 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms fr-par03a-rd1-ge-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.163.82] 8 44 ms 41 ms 57 ms fr-par03a-ra1-ge-0-0-0_0.aorta.net [213.46.163.9 0] 9 41 ms 41 ms 42 ms prs-b2-geth6-1.telia.net [213.248.70.37] 10 42 ms 54 ms 41 ms prs-bb2-pos7-1-0.telia.net [213.248.65.225] 11 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms ffm-bb2-pos6-0-0.telia.net [213.248.65.118] 12 63 ms 61 ms 61 ms zch-b1-pos2-0.telia.net [213.248.65.170] 13 40 ms 43 ms 40 ms init-113677-zch-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.96.46] 14 41 ms 42 ms 41 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 15 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] Trace complete. Freundliche Grüsse -- Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenberger(a)escapenet.ch Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Nik Hug Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:26 An: swinog(a)swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Good Morning [..] > It is a general thing. I would have thought swiss ISPs > buying a bit more selective based on rtt and peering being > local or close by. Disclaimers apply left and right, for > you know who I am etc. But I am really surprised, believe > it or not. yes we do care about rtt - but we can't ignore the prices. it's the usual trade-off :-( If you have to pay twice the price for peering transit as for full transit the decision is clear - at least from my point of view. > Think about it this way - before there were 2 ISPs you had > with 'interesting' domestic peering policies. Now you have > three... I could bet with you these three do not react so > much about traffic over their upstream unless it is some > 500m sustained...? I speak of experience, in a way [..] in the past it showed, that this "bad" domestic peering policies even brought customers to our network. You can very well explain the peering policy of a big domestic ISP to your own customers and earn their sympathy and support. Regards Nik _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
by Mike Kellenberger 22 Sep '06

22 Sep '06

looks better from home (leunet -> cablecom) Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1 2 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms 10.32.0.1 3 8 ms 10 ms 12 ms 212.203.33.62 4 9 ms 10 ms 9 ms gig-4-3-719.blxZHZ002.gw.cablecom.net [62.2.154. 241] 5 12 ms 13 ms 13 ms swissix-glb.init7.net [194.242.34.3] 6 18 ms 12 ms 14 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 7 14 ms 13 ms 14 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] Trace complete. funny that the cablecom business access is so much worse than a cheap private access... :-( Freundliche Grüsse -- Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenberger(a)escapenet.ch Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Mike Kellenberger Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:37 An: swinog(a)swinog.ch Betreff: AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Hey cool, my packets to our server at init7 as a cablecom customer travel from winterthur over half europe to zürich now :-( Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.10.1 2 * 7 ms 7 ms 62-2-80-229.static.cablecom.ch [62.2.80.229] 3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.219.224.1 4 32 ms * * ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 5 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53] 6 40 ms 39 ms 42 ms nl-ams01a-rd1-ge-4-1.aorta.net [213.46.160.25] 7 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms fr-par03a-rd1-ge-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.163.82] 8 44 ms 41 ms 57 ms fr-par03a-ra1-ge-0-0-0_0.aorta.net [213.46.163.9 0] 9 41 ms 41 ms 42 ms prs-b2-geth6-1.telia.net [213.248.70.37] 10 42 ms 54 ms 41 ms prs-bb2-pos7-1-0.telia.net [213.248.65.225] 11 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms ffm-bb2-pos6-0-0.telia.net [213.248.65.118] 12 63 ms 61 ms 61 ms zch-b1-pos2-0.telia.net [213.248.65.170] 13 40 ms 43 ms 40 ms init-113677-zch-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.96.46] 14 41 ms 42 ms 41 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4] 15 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110] Trace complete. Freundliche Grüsse -- Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenberger(a)escapenet.ch Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700 http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Nik Hug Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:26 An: swinog(a)swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] Sunrise network issues? Good Morning [..] > It is a general thing. I would have thought swiss ISPs > buying a bit more selective based on rtt and peering being > local or close by. Disclaimers apply left and right, for > you know who I am etc. But I am really surprised, believe > it or not. yes we do care about rtt - but we can't ignore the prices. it's the usual trade-off :-( If you have to pay twice the price for peering transit as for full transit the decision is clear - at least from my point of view. > Think about it this way - before there were 2 ISPs you had > with 'interesting' domestic peering policies. Now you have > three... I could bet with you these three do not react so > much about traffic over their upstream unless it is some > 500m sustained...? I speak of experience, in a way [..] in the past it showed, that this "bad" domestic peering policies even brought customers to our network. You can very well explain the peering policy of a big domestic ISP to your own customers and earn their sympathy and support. Regards Nik _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Internet Security at hack.lu
by Yann Berthier 20 Sep '06

20 Sep '06

Dear swinogers, As you may know, hack.lu will be held on 19-21 oct - what you may not know is that, on the first day, we set up an Internet Security track, with great speakers (Nicolas Fischbach of fame, Peter Haag, Bruno de Troch on Flow Spec, Henning Brauer, Michael H. Behringer, Benoit Claise). See http://www.hack.lu/index.php/InternetSecurity for more details The rest of the conference should interest you as well, with Wietse Venema, Daniel Karrenberg, and many other great speakers and great subjects (IPTV Security, Broadcasting by Misuse of Satellite ISPs, IPv6 Security and insecurity, ...) So, if you want to see top-notch speakers on your subjects of choice, in a "fun and relaxed atmosphere", in a location close to switzerland, hack.lu is the place to go ! Thanks, - yann, on behalf of the hack.lu team

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Providers supporting TLS (for SMTP, POP, IMAP, ...)?
by Matthias Leisi 18 Sep '06

18 Sep '06

Hi all, The subject says it all: do you know which providers support TLS (the technology formerly known as SSL) for SMTP, POP and/or IMAP for their residential or small-office dialup/broadband customers? If you are a provider yourself and you do not offer it: Are there particular reasons? Is it a conscious decision not to offer it or is it that just nobody asked yet? Thanks, -- Matthias

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job offer: webdeveloper
by Elias Wittwer 13 Sep '06

13 Sep '06

hi, if somebody has interest: we looking for a webdeveloper who has strong skills in (x)html, css and all the w3c standards, php, mysql, python. informations and the assessment test: http://www.hostpoint.ch/company.php?subCatID=CAFI8 greets eli

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SwiNOG #13 - save the date
by Fredy Kuenzler 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

Dear all, SwiNOG #13 is approaching - Wednesday, Nov 1st, 2006. Same place - http://www.altestramdepot.ch/ Please save the date. Main Sponsor: http://www.agilent.com/ Infos and registration will follow. Please consider giving a presentation - send suggestions to swinog-core(a)swinog.ch - thanks. For the Core Team, Fredy

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Infrastructure Architect to CHF 160k
by Jeremy 11 Sep '06

11 Sep '06

FAO: Senior Network Architects swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch Hi, I am a head hunter working on this Swiss based role: Infrastructure Architect CHF140 - 160 k + 25% Bonus + car allowance + full bens incl stock Focus on strong Swiss market, ideally Zurich/Basel based German & english speaking Able to project instant technical credibility Working mainly with FS/Pharma/manufacturing clients Extensive experience of architecting major new scalable network solutions /optimising current infrastructure CCIE level hands-on network expertise across: Disaster recovery, Network trends & futures, Network/transport protocols, Optical transport, Quality of Service (QoS), IP Addressing and Domains, IP Multicast Switching and routing, LANs, MANs, WANs, Remote access, Encryption, Security Policy Development, Firewalls, Intrusion Detection, Authentication Management, Network resiliency, Network management, Network performance optimization, voice, video and TDM voice technologies Please contact me to discuss further if it is of interest Best regards Jeremy Wilson Director, Era Associates jeremy(a)erasearch.com Mob +44 (0)7802 237394 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Statements and opinions expressed in this e-mail may not represent those of the company. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete the material from any computer/storage media. Thank you. ============================================================================ =================================================

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19" Double Rack, to give away.
by Marco Meile 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello List I give away a double 19" Philips Audiorack (600mm deeply). If you are interested, you can Write me a Private mail to silicium at natural-geek dot org prictures are available at: http://open-support.org/stuff/silicium/rack/ Detailed Pictures by mail. - --> must be fetched in st.gallen If nobody Interessted, i trow the rack away. Hallo Ich Verschenke ein Rack Es handelt sich um ein Philips Audiorack, welches wahrscheinlich dazu gedient hat, Sendegeraete unterzubringen. Daher ist das Rack nur 600mm tief. Es handelt sich um einen fork zwischen 2 ein tuerigen Racks, welche zusammengeflexschraubt wurden. ganz lustige Sache. Falls du interessiert bist, schreib mir einfach eine Mail: silicium at natural-geek.org Bildet findet ihr unter: http://open-support.org/stuff/silicium/rack/ Detailierte Bilder per Mail. Das Rack muss in St.Gallen abgeholt werden falls sich niemand meldet, werd ich es wegschmeissen. Mit Freundlichen Gruessen Marco Meile -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFE/JEE0dpLDHwyxxURAvYjAJ9WRoYl7ZbAGjzVAv45EXgOl8xB5ACfRZ9I ZYia2uVKok8zXy1Cznzo3+A= =aYko -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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SwiNOG-BE41 - Beer Event 41 - 4th of September 06 @Outback / Zurich
by Glogger Steven 01 Sep '06

01 Sep '06

dear swinogers sorry, again very late for this - but it has been preannounced around 2 weeks ago on IRC :-) anyway, to the important data... the facts for the next event: ----------------------------- Date: 4th of September 2006 Time: starting around 18.30 o'clock Location: @ the "Outback" Bahnhof Stadelhofen Registration deadline: 04.09.2006 12:00:00 Registration: ------------- Please register here: http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ Since we have to make reservations, i need to know who's coming and who not. If you cannot attend and you're registered please inform me asap. Important: If someone cannot find us: call me on my handy: 079 / 277 92 35 greetings -steven

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