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Re: [swinog] Follow Up Full BGP Routing Router Requirments
by Patrick Studer 15 Oct '09

15 Oct '09

Hallo Marco Ja, wir sind die AS49867. Verkehr wird im Moment im Bereich von 2-6 Mbit/s liegen. Upstream wie schon erwähnt über 1 x FastEthernet (4 Mbit/s garantiert, 100 Mbit/s burstable) und evtl. noch einmal 5 Mbit/s fix. Zusätzlich noch die SwissIX Anbindung mit 100 Mbit/s. Wir wollen unseren Kunden Managed Services wie Mailfilterung, Off-Site Backup etc. Anbieten. Um die "teuren" Upstreams zu entlasten, wollen wir als erstes am SwissIX Peerings einrichten. Wenn das ganze wächst, ist evtl. noch eine Anbindung ans Telehouse in Zürich geplant, wo wir weitere Peerings und auch zusätzliche Upstreams einkaufen wollen. Dies ist jedoch vermutlich erst in 1-2 Jahren der Fall. Das Setup wird im Moment vermutlich noch darauf hinauslaufen, dass wir vom "Haupt" Upstream eine Default Route announced bekommen und vom "Backup" Upstream eine Full Table, aus welche wir die gewünschten Prefixes bzw. AS Pfade filtern (z.B. nur die eigene AS des Upstream und AS des Upstreams plus 1 zusätzliche AS). Für dieses Setup werden die 512 Mb vermutliche ohne Problem reichen. Wir wollen uns aber nichts verbauen, und deshalb auch die Möglichkeit offen halten, dass wir mind. 2 Full Table fahren können. Grüsse Patrick -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: marco.huggenberger(a)gmail.com [mailto:marco.huggenberger@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Marco Huggenberger Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2009 13:27 An: Patrick Studer Betreff: Re: [swinog] Follow Up Full BGP Routing Router Requirments Hoi Patrick Bist Du der AS49867-Mann? 2009/10/13 Patrick Studer <p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch>: > My question was, if the memory is enough. I know, that you wrote, that > for ddos problem, this solution isn't recommended. But I only want to know, > if 512 MB is enough to hold two full routing tables and some prefixes from > swiss-ix. The router will only run bgp and some acl. Also, we will implement > some QoS. Ohne komplizierte route-maps sollte dies kein Problem sein. Wenn dann aber noch MPLS und/oder Zone Based Firewall dazukommen kann das dann schon zum Engpass werden. Bei Routern steigt in der Regel auch der RAM Bedarf bei höherer Bandbreite, was habt ihr da für eine Plattform ausgewählt, bzw. wieviel Verkehr erwartet ihr im Peak und Average? Gruss Marco SwissIX Präsident PS: Wo und warum würdet ihr Euch denn an den SwissIX mit AS49867 anschliessen? Beide zumindest bei RIPE genannten, künftigen Upstreams sind ja bereits Teilnehmer am SwissIX.

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Yahoo.com Abuse Contact
by Stefan Rothenbuehler 14 Oct '09

14 Oct '09

Hello Everybody Does someone know the Abuse contact for Yahoo Small Business? Telephone Number would be great as I didn't get any reply when filling out the online form nor writing to abuse(a)yahoo.com. The Problem is that some criminal is using orangepromo.org for scamming users (no content there, he seems to use just the mail addresses). The site is hosted within yahoo's small-business. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Stefan Rothenbuehler Swisscom (Switzerland) Ltd.

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Know this Provider
by Xaver Aerni 14 Oct '09

14 Oct '09

Hello, Did somebody know the Provider unitedcolo.de. My question is it serioesly or not. Greetings Xaver ********************************************** Xaver Aerni Zürichstrasse 10a 8340 Hinwil Tel. 001 707 361 68 39

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Closing remarks to the SwiNOG-19 meeting
by Michel Renfer 14 Oct '09

14 Oct '09

Dear all, We would like to thank you all for participating in our great event. It was a pleasure to saw you all at SwiNOG-19. Special thanks also to our offical sponsors, which made this event possible: Main sponsor: Global Crossing Social event sponsor: T-Systems WLAN sponsor: nts workspace Please take a few minutes and fill in the survey for SwiNOG #19: Anonymous Survey Link: <http://www.questionpro.com/akira/TakeSurvey?id=1371669> If you did not attend SwiNOG #19 (because the registration has been full or for any other reason), please do it also, and skip the questions which don't apply. The SwiNOG-Core team would like to learn what could be done better. Your answers are very valuable, so please be honest. If you want to get directly into contact with our sponsors, please use the following contacts: Global Crossing: Paul Gadiot E-Mail: paul.gadiot(a)globalcrossing.com T-Systems: Marc Pötzl E-Mail: marc.poetzl(a)t-systems.ch nts workspace: Nik Hug E-Mail: nh(a)nts.ch Many thanks from the SwiNOG Core Team and see you again @ SwiNOG-20! michel

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Re: [swinog] swinog Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5
by Jaina, Alison 13 Oct '09

13 Oct '09

Hi Leo, I noticed that KPN is not on the list... KPN can also offer IPv6 Transit Services in Switzerland. If you pass on my details I would be very grateful. Kind Regards Alison Alison Jaina, Account Director Wholesale KPN Eurorings B.V. Darmstädter Landstr. 184 60598 Frankfurt Phone +49 (0)69 96874 280 Mobile +49 (0)178 5352 336 Email alison.jaina(a)kpn.de Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 03:28:04 -0700 From: Leo Vegoda <leo.vegoda(a)icann.org> Subject: [swinog] ISPs offering IPv6 transit to multi-homed customers in Geneva To: "swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch" <swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch> Message-ID: <C6F30CC4.2A13E%leo.vegoda(a)icann.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I am at ITU World in Geneva and have just spoken to a gentleman who wants to buy IPv6 transit for his multi-homed network. I'd like to e-mail him a list of ISPs that offer IPv6 transit services but don't think I know all the Swiss ISPs offering it at the moment. Is there a list I can point him at? If not, if people selling IPv6 transit could send me details I can pass on I would be grateful. Thanks, Leo

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Re: [swinog] Follow Up Full BGP Routing Router Requirments
by Patrick Studer 13 Oct '09

13 Oct '09

Hi Bernd My question was, if the memory is enough. I know, that you wrote, that for ddos problem, this solution isn't recommended. But I only want to know, if 512 MB is enough to hold two full routing tables and some prefixes from swiss-ix. The router will only run bgp and some acl. Also, we will implement some QoS. Kind Regards Patrick Studer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Bernd SPIESS [mailto:bernd.spiess@ascus.at] Gesendet: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009 19:20 An: 'Patrick Studer' Betreff: RE: [swinog] Follow Up Full BGP Routing Router Requirments look for my mails - i would not recommend this solution - but of course it depends on your bandwith needs - for very low bandwith and no chance to hold a ddos you can go with this solution - no problem bernd -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Patrick Studer Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 4:42 PM To: 'swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch' Subject: [swinog] Follow Up Full BGP Routing Router Requirments Hi As allready requested (see our post from 17.09.), we are looking for a solutions, which will bring us the possibility to be multi homed and get full routing table from two isp and peerings to an exchange point. We now have an offer for an refurbished 7206VXR with NPE-400 and 512 MB Memory. Would that be enough, to hold two full routing table (if needed) and peerings? We think, there are around 300K prefixes around know, so it should be okay? Right? We will install two of them (each one connected to one of the upstream provider). Between both, we will do IBGP. On the router, we just will have BGP, some small ACLs, perhaps some QoS. That's it. The idea behind that solutions is, that if the NPE-400 wouldn't be enough in 1-2 years, we can just exchange the NPE-400 against a NPE-G2. Since the NPE-400 is really cheap, we don't lose too much money, when we will exchange it in 1-2 years. Thanks for any inputs. Kind Regards Patrick Studer _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Follow Up Full BGP Routing Router Requirments
by Patrick Studer 12 Oct '09

12 Oct '09

Hi As allready requested (see our post from 17.09.), we are looking for a solutions, which will bring us the possibility to be multi homed and get full routing table from two isp and peerings to an exchange point. We now have an offer for an refurbished 7206VXR with NPE-400 and 512 MB Memory. Would that be enough, to hold two full routing table (if needed) and peerings? We think, there are around 300K prefixes around know, so it should be okay? Right? We will install two of them (each one connected to one of the upstream provider). Between both, we will do IBGP. On the router, we just will have BGP, some small ACLs, perhaps some QoS. That's it. The idea behind that solutions is, that if the NPE-400 wouldn't be enough in 1-2 years, we can just exchange the NPE-400 against a NPE-G2. Since the NPE-400 is really cheap, we don't lose too much money, when we will exchange it in 1-2 years. Thanks for any inputs. Kind Regards Patrick Studer

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ISPs offering IPv6 transit to multi-homed customers in Geneva
by Leo Vegoda 08 Oct '09

08 Oct '09

Hi, I am at ITU World in Geneva and have just spoken to a gentleman who wants to buy IPv6 transit for his multi-homed network. I'd like to e-mail him a list of ISPs that offer IPv6 transit services but don't think I know all the Swiss ISPs offering it at the moment. Is there a list I can point him at? If not, if people selling IPv6 transit could send me details I can pass on I would be grateful. Thanks, Leo

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Netzwoche
by Mateo Meier 07 Oct '09

07 Oct '09

Hello Guys, Does anyone knows someone @Netzwoche ? Warm Regards,Mateo

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looking for an FTTx demonstration
by Maechler Philippe 07 Oct '09

07 Oct '09

Hello Swinog To complete my diploma as communication technician HF, I should write a concept for a new Fiber-Backbone/MAN. At the beginning we plan to deliver Internet (Data) and Voice to access customers. Later on will serve IPTV, Video- and Music on Demand. Now I'm looking for a small or medium sized provider who can show me such a network, give me an insight on how you manage the customers and/or different serivce providers. tia Philippe

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