swinog July 2006

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by Rudolphi

Blocking is as well political activism as nonsense, as long as many of the childporn-sellers set up as many as 20 sites a day on yahoo. These sites are pointing on perfectly legal sites on which one can make a payment for receiving a password which enables user to get into a p2p-network where the cp-material is distributed. Furthermore: ISPs would have to update the list all day and night - a neverending job. And as long as some police departments in some other countries are setting up cp-sites as a trap and therefore are actively distributing child pornography, the whole "plan of action" as described in TV becomes pretty weird. Are elections soon? But anyway, if Cablecom _really_ wants to block all these sites, the responsible guy may contact me off-list. I'll be glad to send him may daily harvest of cp-addresses :-p guido ____________ Ursprüngliche Mitteilung ____________ Betreff: Re: [swinog] Preventive blocking Autor: Fredy Kuenzler <kuenzler(a)init7.net> Datum: 22. Juli 2006 18.32.21 Michel Renfer schrieb: > There were a few approches until now, already with low success or > technical implications (other sites also blocked, etc.) > > The discussion now happend on society level. Any bigger ISP will > never offically reject such blocking requests for child pornography > in a tv interview as this can hardly hit their image in the public. > > The technical questions of the blocking are completly fadet out. They > didn't really care anyone. Blocking can and will definitivly not > work. Endusers can implement workarrounds in less than a minute. > Other questions like, who's maintaining the list etc. are not even > discussed. > > I'm really concerned about the way that this story will/ can go... Full Ack. After this letter arrived, I wrote a blog entry: http://www.blogg.ch/index.php?/archives/444-Kampagne-Stopp-Kinderpornografi… Few days later I got a call from the journalist of SF who did the report in 10vor10. Means: the journalist was perfectly aware of all the technical and political issues in this case, but he masked out it completly. IMHO a bad job, 10vor10. F. _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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*SPECIAL* SwiNOG-BE40 - BBQ/Beer Event 40 - 7th of August @ Oerlikerpark Block this subject

by Glogger Steven

hi all yesss.. already the 40th beer event and its summer! so be prepared for another great swinog-beer and grill event ;-) we go again for this BBQ event Oerlikerpark (near Center Eleven / Zurich Oerlikon). Link for registration http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ please read the whole e-mail - there are some important informations :) when is it? ------------ 7th of august at around 18.30 - until.. well..open end ;) Registration deadline: 06.08.2006 24:00:00 ok, the registration deadline is kind of obsolete. anyone who wants to come just comes. we have enough space ,-) (but for the restaurant in case of bad weather it's quite important) what to food / drink? ----------------------- quite simple: what you bring with you is what you can eat and drink. some ppl are sponsoring some things, but don't rely on that. we will have some grills and some place to seat. since i'm just coming back from holidays one day before the event i might not be able to get some charcoal but i will at least sponsor some one-way-usable-trow-away grills. and for sure i'll bring the little ventilator ;-) (thanks another time to roman ;-)) so, if you register and you want to contribute something for others please note it to the "COMMENTS" field when registering. this is very helpful for others to know, that to bring ;-) this could be: - beer - some hot sauces (venty?) - chips & snacks - good mood - bread - desserts - salads - etc.. where is it? ------------- http://www.gis.zh.ch/gb4/zvv/zvv.asp?zvv=ja&hst=0103789 it's in the 'Oerlikerpark' near Center Eleven / Zurich Oerlikon. with the bus 64 or 75 from bahnhof oerlikon until 'Bollingerweg'. or you come with the bus number 80 until 'Birchstrasse' and then walk behind the credit suisse building. ith the car you might park in the Parkhaus Octavo (in the CS building) or in he near of the center eleven (coop; 5min away and has open until 20.00). see pictures on http://gallery.glogger.ch/swinogbe16 problems (!!!): --------------- there is NO public toilet in the near. so please consider this before leaving for the BE ,-) there might be some toilets walking some minutes around ;-) if there is (very) bad weather: -------------------------------- On Bad weather (will be communicated on the same day around noon) we go to the "Outback" Bahnhof Stadelhofen if the weather is very bad on that date we would move to the "Outback" at Bahnhof Stadelhofen. I will make an email until 12:00 about the change if necessairy and update the website. If someone cannot find us: call me on my handy: 079 / 277 92 35 greetings -steven

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isp evaluation in Shanghai

by Frédéric Jutzet

Hi All, Any personal experience, top-x report, to select a good ISP (broadband with business services, or only business product) in Shanghai ? Thank. Best regards. Frédo

16 years, 10 months

SwiNOG-BE39 - Beer Event 39 - 17th of July 06 @Pumpstation / Zurich Lake

by Glogger Steven

dear swinogers sorry i'm a little bit late with this mail. but in one of my last posts i told you to reserve the 17th :) anyway, deadline is sunday 18:00 for reg. some important words: ====================== since we're reserving at the pumpstation, and officially we're not allowed to reserve any table there, we have to be really on time. i have to give up the remaining space around 18:45/18:50. so, if you're not punctional it might be that your seat is already gone and you'll organize a new seat by yourself... we've had some troubles with the restaurant last year because people came too late, we've had an almost empty table around for about an hour. this is bad for their business and this is bad for us (no reservations anymore...). if you're not sure if you'll be on time just drop a note to the comment field... the facts for the next event: ----------------------------- Date: 17th of July 2006 Time: starting around 18.30 o'clock Location: @lake in restaurant "Pumpstation" (see image; www.pumpstation.ch) On Bad weather (will be communicated the same day around noon) we go to the "Outback" Bahnhof Stadelhofen Registration deadline: 16.07.2006 18:00:00 Registration: ------------- Please register here: http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ Since we have to make reservations, i need to know who's coming and who not. If you cannot attend and you're registered please inform me asap. Important: If someone cannot find us: call me on my handy: 079 / 277 92 35 greetings -steven

16 years, 10 months

Hardware: looking for a cisco catalyst 4006 fan tray

by Frédéric Martin

Hello, I'm looking for a Cisco Catalyst 4006 fan tray (Part number WS-X4005). Does anyone have one/two pieces to sell (either new or refurbished) ? Thank you Frédéric

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RE: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed

by Glogger Steven

well, i think RSS is quite a standard and there are possibilities to provide the swinog mailinglist also as RSS feed.. but anyway, a forum/blog is the wrong way... mail should be still the way of communication for swinog members ,-) -steven > -----Original Message----- > From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch > [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] On Behalf Of Xaver Aerni > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:23 AM > To: swinog(a)swinog.ch > Subject: Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed > > think to install an RSS Client is in different offices is a > Problem. If we make a change is a Forum (or new called Blogg) > the beter idea. But you must check what is in the future the > best way. I think some people uesing Handshields or Mobiles > for reading the list... > I don't konw if in future are RSS Reader avable for this products. > > Greetings > Xaver > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tonnerre LOMBARD" <tonnerre(a)bsdprojects.net> > To: "Glogger Steven" <S.Glogger(a)cybernet.ch> > Cc: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: [swinog] Reading list as RSS feed > > > > _______________________________________________ > > swinog mailing list > > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog >

16 years, 10 months

RE: [swinog] FW: Copper thefts in california

by Glogger Steven

imagine this imaginary conversation with an ISP help desk: helpdesk: "good day sir. how can i help you?" customer: "help - my internet and my ADSL line is not working anymore." helpdesk: "does your phone is working?" customer: "no, not at all - i'm calling you from my mobile." helpdesk: "did you checked the cablings? is the plug inserted correct in the walljack?" ... 2minutes of rümschelrümschel... we hear an 'outch' - seems the customer banged his head against the table or so... customer: "<little bit dizzy>yes, i've taken it out and plugged back in - but still no signal" helpdesk: "hmm.. let me check your line - " ... <tiptiptip> ... "yes, i dont see any signal on our side - it could be that you have a psysical access problem" customer: "no, i'm not challenged!!!" helpdesk: "i mean that your physical line of the t-e-l-e-p-h-o-n-e might be interrupted / broken somewhere. you know, the thin cable ..." customer: "what should i do? call an electrician?" helpdesk: "no, we will open a ticket at <put in your favorite last mile provider or:> the local telco". ... some days later ... helpdesk: "good day sir. we've got now feedback from the local telco company. your line should be fixed within the next days" customer: "what is it?" helpdesk: "lets call it problem with the last mile access..." customer: "... which means?...." helpdesk: "well... it seems that someone stole your wire?" customer: "sorry, i'm disturbed.. he stole what??" helpdesk: "as you might have heard the price increase for copper has lead some criminals to pick exiting copper lines which are digged in the street... some made a fortune with copper lines..:" customer: "this would explain why my electrian had to put in new electrical-cables - they might have disappeared some days ago... i had no power at all... " customer: "... and my internet was not working ... thats why i called you" helpdesk: <speakless> otherwise..please refer to "the internet help desk" (old but always good :)) http://www.mrmouse.ch/fun/video/wesmonocable.mov -steven ps: plz reserve in your agenda the 17th of july - next ZH beer event will be planned for this date :)

16 years, 10 months

FW: Copper thefts in california

by Glogger Steven

will this be the new business model after upgrading mostly to fiber? "we sell copper" does get a double meaning :) -steven -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:42 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Copper thefts in california In addition to the traditional backhoe threat, as the price of copper increased so has the threat of people stealing telephone trunk cables containing copper wire. http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4021500 Since Jan. 1, there have been 148 reports of copper wire theft in San Bernardino County, said sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller. [...] Per pound, the metal has risen in price from about 70 cents in July 2001 to $3.60 this month, according to Kitco Inc., an international retailer of precious metals. [...] Anyone with information on the Verizon theft may call the Verizon Security Control Center, 1-800-997-3287. For the AT&T thefts, people may call security at (213) 633-2558 or (213) 633-2405. People with information on copper thefts may also contact their local law enforcement agencies.

16 years, 10 months

FW: 91.192/10 to be used for PI assignments to End Users

by Glogger Steven

probably swisscom/andré will update their filter stuff, not? :) -steven -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of leo vegoda Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:51 PM To: Address Policy WG; routing-wg(a)ripe.net Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu; afnog(a)afnog.org; sanog(a)sanog.org; uknof(a)ukif.org.uk; nznog(a)list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: 91.192/10 to be used for PI assignments to End Users Dear Colleagues, At recent RIPE Meetings, we have reported a steady rise in requests from our members for Provider Independent (PI) address space for End User networks. We have reclaimed and recycled space from closed Local Internet Registries to meet this demand, but we are nearing the point where the available PI space will run out. In the past, we made PI assignments from former Class C space (193/8 and 194/7). Because of the increasing demand for PI space, we made sure that we would be able to use some of our most recent allocation of address space to meet future requests. We have designated 91.192/10 for PI assignments to End User networks. When the former Class C space is exhausted, we will start to make PI assignments from 91.192/10. We will let you know when this happens. We are announcing a pilot prefix using the RIS beacons, you may want to update any filters that you have in place. The RIS beacons are announcing the following networks: 91.192.0.0/24 91.192.0.0/16 You can ping 91.192.0.1. Full details of reachable IP addresses and tools are available on our web site at: http://www.ris.ripe.net/debogon/debogon.html Regards, -- leo vegoda Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC

16 years, 10 months

[OT] Announcement: Birth of our son

by Tobias Orlamuende

Hi folks, last Saturday our son - Leon - was born. He had a weight of 3460 g and a size of 50 cm. If you are interrested, have a look at his gallery which will be updated regulary. http://leon.linux-guru.ch Cheers Tobias

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