New subject: Sunrise network issues?

22 Sep 2006

      Hey cool, my packets to our server at init7 as a cablecom customer travel from winterthur over half europe to zürich now :-(
Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.10.1
  2     *        7 ms     7 ms  62-2-80-229.static.cablecom.ch [62.2.80.229]
  3    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  10.219.224.1
  4    32 ms     *        *     ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53]
5    19 ms    20 ms    19 ms  ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net [213.46.171.53]
6    40 ms    39 ms    42 ms  nl-ams01a-rd1-ge-4-1.aorta.net [213.46.160.25]
  7    40 ms    42 ms    40 ms  fr-par03a-rd1-ge-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.163.82]
  8    44 ms    41 ms    57 ms  fr-par03a-ra1-ge-0-0-0_0.aorta.net [213.46.163.9
0]
  9    41 ms    41 ms    42 ms  prs-b2-geth6-1.telia.net [213.248.70.37]
 10    42 ms    54 ms    41 ms  prs-bb2-pos7-1-0.telia.net [213.248.65.225]
 11    51 ms    51 ms    51 ms  ffm-bb2-pos6-0-0.telia.net [213.248.65.118]
 12    63 ms    61 ms    61 ms  zch-b1-pos2-0.telia.net [213.248.65.170]
 13    40 ms    43 ms    40 ms  init-113677-zch-b1.c.telia.net [213.248.96.46]
 14    41 ms    42 ms    41 ms  r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4]
 15    43 ms    46 ms    44 ms  r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110]
Trace complete.
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Nik Hug
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:26
An: swinog@swinog.ch
Betreff: Re: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?

Good Morning

[..]

> It is a general thing. I would have thought swiss ISPs
> buying a bit more selective based on rtt and peering being
> local or close by. Disclaimers apply left and right, for
> you know who I am etc. But I am really surprised, believe
> it or not.

yes we do care about rtt - but we can't ignore the prices.
it's the usual trade-off :-(
If you have to pay twice the price for peering transit as for full 
transit the decision is clear - at least from my point of view.

> Think about it this way - before there were 2 ISPs you had
> with 'interesting' domestic peering policies. Now you have
> three... I could bet with you these three do not react so
> much about traffic over their upstream unless it is some
> 500m sustained...? I speak of experience, in a way
[..]

in the past it showed, that this "bad" domestic peering policies even 
brought customers to our network.
You can very well explain the peering policy of a big domestic ISP to 
your own customers and earn their sympathy and support.

Regards

Nik
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