Hoi Zaeme,
occasionally we get mail bounces from bluewin that look like this:
Jul 6 13:17:31 xxxx postfix/smtp[30166]: xxxx: to=x@bluewin.ch, relay=mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50]:25, delay=2, delays=0.02/0/0.05/2, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50] said: 551 551 x@bluewin.ch Account administratively disabled. Please try later (in reply to RCPT TO command))
the bounces seem to be consistanly linked with the same accounts anmd trying later does not help ... the message remains the same and no mail gets through ...
is this a bluewin feature ? anything the user can configure ? anti spam feature ?
cheers tobi
On 08/14/2012 03:42 PM, Tobias Oetiker wrote:
Hoi Zaeme,
occasionally we get mail bounces from bluewin that look like this:
Jul 6 13:17:31 xxxx postfix/smtp[30166]: xxxx: to=x@bluewin.ch, relay=mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50]:25, delay=2, delays=0.02/0/0.05/2, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50] said: 551 551 x@bluewin.ch Account administratively disabled. Please try later (in reply to RCPT TO command))
the bounces seem to be consistanly linked with the same accounts anmd trying later does not help ... the message remains the same and no mail gets through ...
is this a bluewin feature ? anything the user can configure ? anti spam feature ?
cheers tobi
Hi Tobias
Those mails are rejected as the recipients account has been administratively blocked. This can have various reasons which I'm not gonna list here.
Kind regards
Rothi
Hello Stefan
On 14.08.2012 16:11, Stefan Rothenbuehler wrote:
On 08/14/2012 03:42 PM, Tobias Oetiker wrote:
occasionally we get mail bounces from bluewin that look like this:
Jul 6 13:17:31 xxxx postfix/smtp[30166]: xxxx: to=x@bluewin.ch, relay=mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50]:25, delay=2, delays=0.02/0/0.05/2, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50] said: 551 551x@bluewin.ch Account administratively disabled. Please try later (in reply to RCPT TO command))
Those mails are rejected as the recipients account has been administratively blocked. This can have various reasons which I'm not gonna list here.
I do see a discrepancy here. The mail account is temporary "closed", as you say and also the text "Please try later" does indicate. But the error 551 is a permanent error and the sending server will purge this e-mail from the queue and notify the original sender of the non-delivery.
It would probably be a good idea to respond only with a 4xx error, which is temporary. So the sending server could queue the e-mail and try again later, without any interaction from the end user. Usually the sending mail server does notify the original sender, after delivery of the e-mail has failed for several hours. It then will try up to 5 days to deliver this e-mail, before the e-mail will be purged from the queue and the original sender being notified.
But sure, this depends on how long such accounts are administratively blocked. If it is only for a few days, then a 4xx error would be much friendlier, also to the affected Bluewin customer. If one of this customer is also subscribed to several mailing lists, then there is a very high chance, that he will be automatically unsubscribed from them as well.
Just my 2 cents.
bye Fabian
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Fabian Wenk fabian@wenks.ch wrote:
Hello Stefan
On 14.08.2012 16:11, Stefan Rothenbuehler wrote:
On 08/14/2012 03:42 PM, Tobias Oetiker wrote:
occasionally we get mail bounces from bluewin that look like this:
Jul 6 13:17:31 xxxx postfix/smtp[30166]: xxxx: to=x@bluewin.ch, relay=mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.**99.50]:25, delay=2, delays=0.02/0/0.05/2, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50] said: 551 551x@bluewin.ch Account administratively disabled. Please try later (in reply to RCPT TO command))
Those mails are rejected as the recipients account has been
administratively blocked. This can have various reasons which I'm not gonna list here.
I do see a discrepancy here. The mail account is temporary "closed", as you say and also the text "Please try later" does indicate. But the error 551 is a permanent error and the sending server will purge this e-mail from the queue and notify the original sender of the non-delivery.
It would probably be a good idea to respond only with a 4xx error, which is temporary. So the sending server could queue the e-mail and try again later, without any interaction from the end user. Usually the sending mail server does notify the original sender, after delivery of the e-mail has failed for several hours. It then will try up to 5 days to deliver this e-mail, before the e-mail will be purged from the queue and the original sender being notified.
+1 for that.
I've had similar issues last week with e-mail forwardings to a bluewin address. My customer then thought the problem comes from my server when he received the non delivery mail (due to the 5xx error). After informing him, that the error message came from Swisscom/Bluewin he himself didn't know why Swisscom would (temporary?) block his account. To suggest to my client that he has to temporary remove his e-mail forwarding doesn't seem to be a smart solution to me...
But sure, this depends on how long such accounts are administratively blocked. If it is only for a few days, then a 4xx error would be much friendlier, also to the affected Bluewin customer. If one of this customer is also subscribed to several mailing lists, then there is a very high chance, that he will be automatically unsubscribed from them as well.
What is the reason anyway? Technical issues? Billing issues with the affected customer? "Account administratively disabled" could mean literally anything.
On 08/14/2012 06:49 PM, Fabian Wenk wrote:
Hello Stefan
On 14.08.2012 16:11, Stefan Rothenbuehler wrote:
On 08/14/2012 03:42 PM, Tobias Oetiker wrote:
occasionally we get mail bounces from bluewin that look like this:
Jul 6 13:17:31 xxxx postfix/smtp[30166]: xxxx: to=x@bluewin.ch, relay=mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50]:25, delay=2, delays=0.02/0/0.05/2, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mxbw.bluewin.ch[195.186.99.50] said: 551 551x@bluewin.ch Account administratively disabled. Please try later (in reply to RCPT TO command))
Those mails are rejected as the recipients account has been administratively blocked. This can have various reasons which I'm not gonna list here.
I do see a discrepancy here. The mail account is temporary "closed", as you say and also the text "Please try later" does indicate. But the error 551 is a permanent error and the sending server will purge this e-mail from the queue and notify the original sender of the non-delivery.
It would probably be a good idea to respond only with a 4xx error, which is temporary. So the sending server could queue the e-mail and try again later, without any interaction from the end user. Usually the sending mail server does notify the original sender, after delivery of the e-mail has failed for several hours. It then will try up to 5 days to deliver this e-mail, before the e-mail will be purged from the queue and the original sender being notified.
But sure, this depends on how long such accounts are administratively blocked. If it is only for a few days, then a 4xx error would be much friendlier, also to the affected Bluewin customer. If one of this customer is also subscribed to several mailing lists, then there is a very high chance, that he will be automatically unsubscribed from them as well.
Just my 2 cents.
bye Fabian
Hi Fabian
We send a 551 on purpose. This is mainly to protect our customers (let the sender know that some action has been taken). I'm not gonna explain the details here on the list but if you're interested to know the reasons of this behavior you can contact me off list.
Regards, Rothi
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