Hello,
Zaledia.com is a small not-for-profit organisation. We are a group of some interested technicians, IP networks enthusiasts. We like development and open protocols.
We operate AS207149, and provide IPv6 connectivity to our users, with a goal of sharing knowledge and development of a free internet, decentralized and neutral.
We don't have the money yet to obtain native IPv6 connectivity from some datacenter, so we receive it via a tunnel from Hurricane electric. We are looking for some good souls that would agree to provide us IPv6 transit graciously, as a sponsor. Traffic to and from our network is extremely small, if not insignificant.
We would like to get one or two transit upstreams to ensure some redundancy in providing connectivity. We propose a BGP session via 6to4 or OpenVPN tunnel, preferably.
If you do not want to transit, we are also interested to peer with any interested organization.
Cordial greetings, Julien Sansonnens Zaledia.com
Hi,
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 07:58:55PM +0200, Julien Sansonnens wrote:
We would like to get one or two transit upstreams to ensure some redundancy in providing connectivity. We propose a BGP session via 6to4 or OpenVPN tunnel, preferably.
Who's providing your IPv4 transit? Why don't they have IPv6?
(btw, it's not "6to4" but "proto-41" - 6to4 is the 2002:xx:xx: stuff for automatic tunneling windows likes to use, and you really do not want do BGP across that)
Gert Doering -- NetMaster
On 2016-08-27 19:58, Julien Sansonnens wrote:
Hello,
Zaledia.com is a small not-for-profit organisation. We are a group of some interested technicians, IP networks enthusiasts. We like development and open protocols.
We operate AS207149, and provide IPv6 connectivity to our users, with a goal of sharing knowledge and development of a free internet, decentralized and neutral.
We don't have the money yet to obtain native IPv6 connectivity from some datacenter, so we receive it via a tunnel
Welcome to 2016. The 6bone was shut down 10 years ago.
Go to an IX and get native IPv6....
Like you had to pay for the ASN and for the maint fee for the RIR prefix, you will have to pay even more hard cash for the bits that flow to/from the Internet in the form of transit.
The Internet is commercial, it is not 1984...
Greets, Jeroen
Just the kind of condescending and stupidly aggressive message that makes the charm of this type of list :)
Probably in 1984, with the guys of 1984, I would not have received this kind of "response".
End of controversy. Cheers ! JS -- Julien Sansonnens jsansonnens.ch | Site personnel
2016-08-28 14:01 GMT+02:00 Jeroen Massar jeroen@massar.ch:
On 2016-08-27 19:58, Julien Sansonnens wrote:
Hello,
Zaledia.com is a small not-for-profit organisation. We are a group of some interested technicians, IP networks enthusiasts. We like development and open protocols.
We operate AS207149, and provide IPv6 connectivity to our users, with a goal of sharing knowledge and development of a free internet, decentralized and neutral.
We don't have the money yet to obtain native IPv6 connectivity from some datacenter, so we receive it via a tunnel
Welcome to 2016. The 6bone was shut down 10 years ago.
Go to an IX and get native IPv6....
Like you had to pay for the ASN and for the maint fee for the RIR prefix, you will have to pay even more hard cash for the bits that flow to/from the Internet in the form of transit.
The Internet is commercial, it is not 1984...
Greets, Jeroen
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On 2016-08-28 14:11, Julien Sansonnens wrote:
Just the kind of condescending and stupidly aggressive message that makes the charm of this type of list :)
Just a simple reality check, which you should have known about the moment you where able to fill in the paperwork to get an ASN and a prefix.
Note that that latter paperwork used to contain a guarantee for two upstreams. The reason for that was so that people realized they also needed that...
Probably in 1984, with the guys of 1984, I would not have received this kind of "response".
In 1984 they would have asked you how you would be paying for the physical cable which brought you to them.... would have been a rather expensive deal to get that telephone link up 24/7....
Moving bits has always have a cost, and those costs have gone down a lot, but still exist. The ones that give 'free transit' do that so that they can balance their input/output ratio better which allows them to negotiate better deals and of course to claim they are global Tier-1s while they just have a l3-switch in a rack somewhere... great for playing around, but nothing else.
You might want to ask OVH in France if they are able to provide you with native IPv6, as they can. They might also be able to give you a BGP session, but at that point, like the rest of their service they will nicely ask you to pay for that service.
BGP over tunnels is a bad thing, as the tunnel will break and then that flap in BGP gets progressed all around the world.... not even speaking about MTU issues and fragmentation that you will run into.
Please keep the Internet a 1500 clean place, do your part and get Native IPv6.
Greets, Jeroen
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Jeroen Massar -
Julien Sansonnens