I have a meeting with CC's network engineers next thursday. I'll discuss
that with them and let you know afterwards.
Best wishes,
Matthias
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Kellenberger" mike.kellenberger@escapenet.ch
To: swinog@swinog.ch
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: AW: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
Hey cool, my packets to our server at init7 as a cablecom customer travel
from winterthur over half europe to zürich now :-(
Tracing route to r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.10.1
2 * 7 ms 7 ms 62-2-80-229.static.cablecom.ch [62.2.80.229]
3 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.219.224.1
4 32 ms * * ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net
[213.46.171.53]
5 19 ms 20 ms 19 ms ch-gva01a-ra1-ge-1-1-0.aorta.net
[213.46.171.53]
6 40 ms 39 ms 42 ms nl-ams01a-rd1-ge-4-1.aorta.net
[213.46.160.25]
7 40 ms 42 ms 40 ms fr-par03a-rd1-ge-4-0.aorta.net
[213.46.163.82]
8 44 ms 41 ms 57 ms fr-par03a-ra1-ge-0-0-0_0.aorta.net
[213.46.163.9
0]
9 41 ms 41 ms 42 ms prs-b2-geth6-1.telia.net [213.248.70.37]
10 42 ms 54 ms 41 ms prs-bb2-pos7-1-0.telia.net [213.248.65.225]
11 51 ms 51 ms 51 ms ffm-bb2-pos6-0-0.telia.net [213.248.65.118]
12 63 ms 61 ms 61 ms zch-b1-pos2-0.telia.net [213.248.65.170]
13 40 ms 43 ms 40 ms init-113677-zch-b1.c.telia.net
[213.248.96.46]
14 41 ms 42 ms 41 ms r4.core.init7.net [213.144.128.4]
15 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms r1escape.cpe.init7.net [82.197.163.110]
Trace complete.
Freundliche Grüsse
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Mike Kellenberger mike.kellenberger@escapenet.ch
Escapenet - the Web Company Tel +41 52 235 0700
http://www.escapenet.ch Skype mikek70atwork
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]
Im Auftrag von Nik Hug
Gesendet: Freitag, 22. September 2006 08:26
An: swinog@swinog.ch
Betreff: Re: [swinog] Sunrise network issues?
Good Morning
[..]
> It is a general thing. I would have thought swiss ISPs
> buying a bit more selective based on rtt and peering being
> local or close by. Disclaimers apply left and right, for
> you know who I am etc. But I am really surprised, believe
> it or not.
yes we do care about rtt - but we can't ignore the prices.
it's the usual trade-off :-(
If you have to pay twice the price for peering transit as for full
transit the decision is clear - at least from my point of view.
> Think about it this way - before there were 2 ISPs you had
> with 'interesting' domestic peering policies. Now you have
> three... I could bet with you these three do not react so
> much about traffic over their upstream unless it is some
> 500m sustained...? I speak of experience, in a way
[..]
in the past it showed, that this "bad" domestic peering policies even
brought customers to our network.
You can very well explain the peering policy of a big domestic ISP to
your own customers and earn their sympathy and support.
Regards
Nik
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