I do not think that there are so many spammers located in Switzerland. Actually, I don’t think that there are so many spammers on earth at all, I rather think that a very few guy bother a very wide number of innocent and legitimate email users. However Switzerland is probably a good place to infect computers, since the infrastructures are probably of good standing.
I am amazed every single time I see figures about emails with the actual number of “clean” emails sent a day. It seems quite funny to imagine that with all ideas that came out to filter spam we still see a high number of spams going on. The challenge is to find a fair way to stop that without to make the technology or protocol dependent on third-parties that would be partial. Actually I see spam and DDoS quite in the same way, both witness big flaws in how hosts and ISP protect their networks (against) but don’t seem to see the same energy on how _not_ to become one source of such attacks.
2010/3/8 Daniele Guazzoni daniele.guazzoni@audatex.ch
Spam coming through Bluewin ADSL is not something new. Doing whatever action to stop spam in an early stage (aka years ago) would not had result in a shitload of support calls. But the guys at Swisscom waited long enough to implement this, so they don’t deserve my empathy...
I know enough ISPs which implemented the “forced own SMTP” already on dial-in accesses (so you see which decade I’m talking about).
Finally I just wonder which alternative ISP will the swiss-spammers choose to continue to mess up the internet. Keep looking your spam-filter logs for a mass shift :-)
Daniele
On 3/8/10 2:26 PM, "rainer@ultra-secure.de" rainer@ultra-secure.de wrote:
Blocking port 25 for *everybody* will just help to induce one shitstorm of a support-nightmare. It doesn't even make a difference if you have a grace-period or not (people ignore this stuff anyway). Steven can probably provide numbers about how many people are still using 25 vs. 587. It's probably millions. What happens if millions of people call the support-hotline....?
Yep, I hate the privacy implications. But with 100k abuse complaints/month
- what would you do, besides going postal?
The only thing that could be done is a government-mandate to cut-off people with zombies in their LANs from the net and have a state-licensed PC-techie come over and clean-out the PC(s). For 200 CHF per hour. Plus 37 CHF court costs and administrative fees. ;-)
It works for cars, so it should work for PCs, too, right? ;-)
Rainer