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Offtopic: Servers that companies throw out? :)
by Mihai Tanasescu 12 Sep '16

12 Sep '16

Hi guys, I am shooting an offtopic, wild question.. though I kind of guess what the answers might be. Where are the big companies recycling / throwing away their servers? I am looking to build a mini lab for playing with various stuff ranging from Cisco Virl to VMware NSX and I also have to my luck a place to rack equipment free of charge with me only paying for electricity. The only missing piece is a server with enough RAM and I was looking into cheaper alternatives (already looked in ricardo and ebay but was wondering where companies throw their older tech). Can someone please enlighten me? Cheers, Mihai

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ICT "Archaeology" at Technopark Zurich
by Rolf Sommerhalder 11 Sep '16

11 Sep '16

Hello SwiNOGers, At Technopark in Zurich, where I work for a small startup, there is still no native IPv6 connectivity available. From what I gather, some of the other 300 companies in this compound also struggle to get decent Internet connectivity. To the extent that some, including ourselves, resort to using flat-rate unlimited wireless 4G/LTE connections. Which is an acceptable work-around for resilience and off-loading traffic that is not sensitive to higher latency, such as e-mail, bulk up-/downloads, streaming, or off-site backup... Although there is an inversion going on where transmissions migrate to wireless which traditionally were cable-bound (for ex. telephony), and vice-versa (for ex. broadcasting), I started digging a bit into the history: Until at least 2008, Swisscom had a "National MPLS Lab" full of Cisco gear in a room right next to our offices. If I recall correctly, Swisscom had set this Lab up after it had acquired Xmit and the Unisource alliance broke up. From that Lab at Technopark, there were trunks of fibers running directly to Swisscom's large facilities in Herdern and in Binz. But so far, I was unable to locate those fibers. Were they really ripped out, or are they still there? Or, were they just abandoned? But who owns them? Could we illuminate a pair, or two? Further research indicates IXEurope had setup _two_ Data Centers at Technopark where they operated Telehouse Internet Exchanges (TIX) in 2005/2006 [1, 2]. Until at least 2007, when Equinix had acquired TIX/IXEurope [3]. What happened to the two Data Centers at Technopark? Did Equinix move the TIX to its other colos in/near Zurich? Did the "over 60 ISPs" move who were apparently peering at TIX? Could we illuminate just a pair of the bunch of fibers that likely are still buried between Technopark and Hardstrasse 235, or Josephstrasse, etc.? Apparently, at least COLT still maintains a PoP at Technopark with fat pipes (likely from the TIX area). But so far, we were unable to get an offer for IP Transit from them, or their re-sellers. Also Rackspace has at least offices in a building adjacent to Technopark. Back in 2007/8, there were rumors that Google was building a data center nearby (cooled by water from the river Limmat). We just became a RIPE member and got our IPv4/6 PA allocations and an AS Number as a LIR. Now, I am looking at our options to get cost-effective IPv4/6 Internet connectivity for our offices at Technopark, as well as scalable IP Transit and/or co-location with housing for our physical server appliances in two geo-redundant data centers in or near Zurich. For example, it would be great to peer at SwissIX, provided that we can find some affordable L2/3 transport between Technopark and Josephstrasse, which is literally just up the road. Thanks for any hints what happened to those resources at Technopark (TIX, Data Centers, transmission lines, etc.) since 2008 while I was working abroad, Rolf [1] IXEurope Connects Switzerland's Internet Exchange Points http://www.equinix.ch/newsroom/press-releases/pr/123269/ixeurope-connects-s… [2] IXEurope Expands Swiss Datacentre Footprint http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/08/prweb419626.htm [3] IXEurope Acquired by Equinix https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2007/06/28/ixeurope_acquired_by_equinix.…

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Re: [swinog] Colocation of PC Engines APU2 with BGP feed
by Pascal Mathis 11 Sep '16

11 Sep '16

Nice to meet you. Generally speaking I think that a VM with a sufficient CPU and 4GB of RAM is not going to be cheaper, especially not in Switzerland. Also, VMs dont usually come with an IX port, so that's another thing I would miss out. Last but not least, I prefer to run stuff on owned/real hardware. An APU2 seems perfect for my needs without breaking my budget. Got two offers so far which are promising, so just waiting a bit longer to collect some potential further offers. Thank you anyways for your suggestions! On 09/11/2016 03:53 AM, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: > (I'm the author of Debian installer for APU :-) > > I know two or three potential places where you could have this, but a VM > will be preferable, just not to clutter the rack space. > > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Stanislav Sinyagin > <ssinyagin(a)k-open.com <mailto:ssinyagin@k-open.com>> wrote: > > why not a virtual machine? It would be cheaper than placing a > hardware box. > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Pascal Mathis > <mailinglist+swinog(a)snapserv.net > <mailto:mailinglist+swinog@snapserv.net>> wrote: > > Dear SwiNOGers, > > for a personal project I would be interested in colocating a PC > Engines > APU2 somewhere in Switzerland with the following specifications: > > - Colocation of a single APU2 in the usual PC Engines case - I > do not > need physical access to the DC, actually sending the fully > configured > machine so that someone can rack it would be preferred. > > - BGP session with IPv4 + IPv6 fulltable feeds and working > communities. > > - Gigabit port, 1 to 5TB of traffic included, but most of the > time less > than 200-300G are going to be used per month, so smaller offers > should > work out as well. > > - Optional: A port to SwissIX would be really great, of course I > would > pay any interconnect fees (and the usual membership fees to > SwissIX). > > I am already familiar with BGP and am currently operating my primary > location in Frankfurt, Germany. No SLA required, price should be as > cheap as possible - I do not need any enterprise support or > something > like that. > > For people who don't know what a APU2 is, you can find more > information > here http://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm > <http://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm> (the machine itself) and > http://www.pcengines.ch/case1d2blku.htm > <http://www.pcengines.ch/case1d2blku.htm> (the case, > 17cmx16cmx3cm). I > know that I am asking for a lot, but I thought if someone is able to > offer something like that for a reasonable price which can be > paid by an > individual, I'll most likely find him/her on SwiNOG. > > If you have any offers or further questions, please reply to the > mailinglist or directly contact me at ncc(a)snapserv.net > <mailto:ncc@snapserv.net>. > > Best regards and have a nice sunday, > Pascal Mathis > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch <mailto:swinog@lists.swinog.ch> > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > <http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog> > > > > > -- > Stanislav Sinyagin > Senior Consultant, CCIE #5478 > ssinyagin(a)k-open.com <mailto:ssinyagin@k-open.com> > +41 79 407 0224 <tel:%2B41%2079%20407%200224> > > > > > -- > Stanislav Sinyagin > Senior Consultant, CCIE #5478 > ssinyagin(a)k-open.com <mailto:ssinyagin@k-open.com> > +41 79 407 0224

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Colocation of PC Engines APU2 with BGP feed
by Pascal Mathis 10 Sep '16

10 Sep '16

Dear SwiNOGers, for a personal project I would be interested in colocating a PC Engines APU2 somewhere in Switzerland with the following specifications: - Colocation of a single APU2 in the usual PC Engines case - I do not need physical access to the DC, actually sending the fully configured machine so that someone can rack it would be preferred. - BGP session with IPv4 + IPv6 fulltable feeds and working communities. - Gigabit port, 1 to 5TB of traffic included, but most of the time less than 200-300G are going to be used per month, so smaller offers should work out as well. - Optional: A port to SwissIX would be really great, of course I would pay any interconnect fees (and the usual membership fees to SwissIX). I am already familiar with BGP and am currently operating my primary location in Frankfurt, Germany. No SLA required, price should be as cheap as possible - I do not need any enterprise support or something like that. For people who don't know what a APU2 is, you can find more information here http://www.pcengines.ch/apu2.htm (the machine itself) and http://www.pcengines.ch/case1d2blku.htm (the case, 17cmx16cmx3cm). I know that I am asking for a lot, but I thought if someone is able to offer something like that for a reasonable price which can be paid by an individual, I'll most likely find him/her on SwiNOG. If you have any offers or further questions, please reply to the mailinglist or directly contact me at ncc(a)snapserv.net. Best regards and have a nice sunday, Pascal Mathis

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Joined SwissIX - SwiNOG-BE159 - Beer Event 159 @ Erzbierschof Zurich, Monday, 2016-09-26
by Emanuel Kleindienst 09 Sep '16

09 Sep '16

Dear SwissIXers & SwiNOGers, JOINED SwiNOG & SwissIX Beering Let's have some Beer & Food at Erzbierschof - an new location AGAIN!!! Upcoming events for rest of 2016: > SwiNOG-BE160: Mo, 24.10.16 > SwiNOG-BE161: Mo, 28.11.16 > SwiNOG-BE162: Mo, 12.12.16 (Christmas dinner) Looking forward seeing you! Emanuel, mobile +41 79 382 73 77, Email emanuel(a)vshn.ch Details for the next event: ----------------------------------------------- Event: Joined SwissIX - SwiNOG-BE159 - Beer Event 159 When? Monday, 26th September 2016 18:30 Where? Erzbierschof Freischuetzgasse 10, 8004 Zurich http://blackrider.erzbierschof.ch/ (GoogleMaps Link: http://https://goo.gl/maps/va7vLZkHngy) Places available? 35 !! Please sign up if you're really coming - because the seats are limited! !! ----------------------------------------------- Registration: Start: Friday, 2nd September 2016 - 14:20 Stop: Monday, 26th September 2016 - 17:00 Reg-URL: http://swinog.be/ ----------------------------------------------- Since we have to make reservations, I need to know who's coming and who not. If you can't attend and you're registered please inform me ASAP (+41 79 382 73 77). Cheers, Emanuel Kleindienst

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Re: [swinog] The Internet 40 years on
by Scott Weeks 29 Aug '16

29 Aug '16

--- jeroen(a)massar.ch wrote: From: Jeroen Massar <jeroen(a)massar.ch> http://m.sfgate.com/business/article/40-years-on-the-Internet-transmits-eve… For the people who like 'our history' ;) ----------------------------------------------- Hmmm, not so sure about sfgate.com's historical data. The internet first said "lo" like in 'lo and belold, I exist', but in reality it was the first three letters of "log". the whole system crashed when they typed the "g". That was 1969: http://www.lk.cs.ucla.edu/personal_history.html As far as packet radio (I'm from Hawaii, so I really like this one) Professor Norman Abramson developed ALOHAnet (packet radio) in 1970 at the University of Hawaii, which became the core idea for Robert Metcalfe's CSMA and, thus, Ethernet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_radio#Aloha_and_PRNET One of my favorites is the letter from R.Z. Bachrach: http://b2b.cbsimg.net/blogs/19740305-xerox-ethernet-memo1.jpg Which he clarifies as not what everyone thinks it said: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/1xz13/in_1974_xerox_parc_engin… All of which was before 1974. scott _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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The Internet 40 years on
by Jeroen Massar 28 Aug '16

28 Aug '16

http://m.sfgate.com/business/article/40-years-on-the-Internet-transmits-eve… For the people who like 'our history' ;) Greets, Jeroen

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peering request
by Julien Sansonnens 28 Aug '16

28 Aug '16

Hello, Zaledia.com is a small not-for-profit organisation. We are a group of some interested technicians, IP networks enthusiasts. We like development and open protocols. We operate AS207149, and provide IPv6 connectivity to our users, with a goal of sharing knowledge and development of a free internet, decentralized and neutral. We don't have the money yet to obtain native IPv6 connectivity from some datacenter, so we receive it via a tunnel from Hurricane electric. We are looking for some good souls that would agree to provide us IPv6 transit graciously, as a sponsor. Traffic to and from our network is extremely small, if not insignificant. We would like to get one or two transit upstreams to ensure some redundancy in providing connectivity. We propose a BGP session via 6to4 or OpenVPN tunnel, preferably. If you do not want to transit, we are also interested to peer with any interested organization. Cordial greetings, Julien Sansonnens Zaledia.com

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SwiNOG-BE158 - Beer Event 158 @ Don Weber Zurich, Monday, 2016-08-29
by Emanuel Kleindienst 26 Aug '16

26 Aug '16

Dear SwiNOGers, Let's have some Beer & Food at Don Weber! *** And an IMPORTANT announcement: JOINED Beering SwiNOG & SwissIX on Monday, 26.9.2016!!! Details will come up beginning of September. SAVE THE DATE!!! *** Upcoming events for rest of 2016: > SwiNOG-BE159: Mo, 26.9.16 - joined SwiNOG & SwissIX beering > SwiNOG-BE160: Mo, 24.10.16 > SwiNOG-BE161: Mo, 28.11.16 > SwiNOG-BE162: Mo, 12.12.16 (Christmas dinner) Looking forward seeing you! Emanuel, Mobile +41 79 382 73 77, Email emanuel(a)vshn.ch Details for the next event: ----------------------------------------------- Event: SwiNOG-BE158 - Beer Event 158 When? Monday, 29th August 2016 18:30 Where? Don Weber Heinrichstrasse 213, 8005 Zürich http://www.donweber.ch/ (GoogleMaps Link: http://goo.gl/maps/PqOPb) Places available? 8 !! Please sign up if you're really coming - because the seats are limited! !! ----------------------------------------------- Registration: Start: Friday, 26th August 2016 - 12:00 Stop: Monday, 29th August 2016 - 17:00 Reg-URL: http://swinog.be/ ----------------------------------------------- Since we have to make reservations, I need to know who's coming and who's not. If you can't attend and you're registered please inform me ASAP (+41 79 382 73 77). Cheers, Emanuel Kleindienst

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RFC 1918 usage in Internet routes - was: Re: Swinog Post RFC1918 IP's on BBCS and Cable based Services
by Stephan Wolf 23 Aug '16

23 Aug '16

Hello Sunrise, many thanks for your (anonymous) feedback. <Offtopic> Ok, I have not seen this other discussion - and simply I do NOT want to start this "relegious" discussion about it. For me personally it is "bad behaviour" to use RFC1918 in internet public based services / routes. For sure others CAN do, because it is not strictly forbidden. This is for me also a general "problem" according RFC's: what is "MUST" and what is "SHOULD".... So I stop it here. </Offtopic> Back to my case: Here see the traces which use RFC1918 in your backbone. So you assign it ! Or may send me an introduction why I am wrong. May I missed something. Many thanks in advance, Best Regards Stephan remark: 192.168.12.254 is your CPE / Fritzbox /root: traceroute local.ch traceroute to local.ch (185.101.119.163), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.12.254 (192.168.12.254) 0.826 ms 0.650 ms 0.559 ms 2 10.136.71.241 (10.136.71.241) 18.020 ms 18.421 ms 18.051 ms 3 172.16.19.146 (172.16.19.146) 22.824 ms 22.594 ms 20.392 ms 4 172.16.19.145 (172.16.19.145) 20.397 ms 23.046 ms 22.561 ms 5 194.230.108.185 (194.230.108.185) 18.058 ms 19.911 ms 19.526 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 oer02pe05.ge1-0-19.bb.sunrise.net (212.161.250.138) 20.847 ms oer02pe05.ge1-0-0.bb.sunrise.net (212.161.250.134) 22.801 ms 22.368 ms 9 195.141.229.234 (195.141.229.234) 22.636 ms 22.517 ms 22.724 ms 10 * * * 11 * * * (snip) /root: traceroute -I local.ch traceroute to local.ch (185.101.119.163), 64 hops max, 48 byte packets 1 192.168.12.254 (192.168.12.254) 0.682 ms 0.543 ms 0.506 ms 2 10.136.71.241 (10.136.71.241) 18.382 ms 20.533 ms 17.602 ms 3 172.16.19.146 (172.16.19.146) 22.372 ms 22.011 ms 22.478 ms 4 172.16.19.145 (172.16.19.145) 21.672 ms 21.664 ms 22.113 ms 5 194.230.108.185 (194.230.108.185) 19.564 ms 19.532 ms 19.533 ms 6 * * * 7 * * * 8 oer02pe05.ge1-0-19.bb.sunrise.net (212.161.250.138) 22.131 ms 22.230 ms 21.965 ms 9 195.141.229.234 (195.141.229.234) 21.793 ms 22.007 ms 21.611 ms 10 * * * 11 * * * (snip) >tracert local.ch Routenverfolgung zu local.ch [185.101.119.163] über maximal 30 Hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms 1 ms 192.168.12.254 2 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms 10.136.71.241 3 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms 172.16.19.146 4 23 ms 23 ms 22 ms 172.16.19.145 5 24 ms 20 ms 20 ms 194.230.108.185 6 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung. 7 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung. 8 87 ms 85 ms 83 ms oer02pe05.ge1-0-19.bb.sunrise.net [212.161.250.138] 9 87 ms 86 ms 79 ms 195.141.229.234 10 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung. 11 * * * Zeitüberschreitung der Anforderung. (snip) Inbound: (snip) .... 6 e1-19.c-r1.es34.nine.ch (5.148.160.143) 12.509 ms 11.148 ms 11.102 ms 7 194.230.36.32 (194.230.36.32) 1.271 ms 1.261 ms 1.214 ms 8 * * * 9 zur01are02.et-10-3-0.bb.sunrise.net (195.141.217.155) 1.355 ms 1.225 ms 1.088 ms 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 adsl-84-227-50-245.adslplus.ch (84.227.50.245) 22.971 ms 23.458 ms 23.962 ms 2016-08-16 13:44 GMT+02:00 peering <peering(a)sunrise.net>: > Hi > Based on the current post at the swinog mailing list and a previous one > which discussed the topic in detail. In fact there is no obligation to not > use private IP Addresses for internet based Services. > Therefore be aware, that the seen RFC1918 Addresses has not been assigned > by sunrise. > Many Thanks for your understanding > > > > > >

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