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RE: [swinog] future of dls
by Michel Renfer 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

> I know is that all the 'excessive' bandwidth available with VDSL will > only be used for HDTV streaming. So don't hold your breath for 20Mbit > Internet surfing. Ack! TV streams will have strict priority over internet traffic. So surfing at (very) highspeed and hdtv streaming won't be possible. cheers, michel

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AW: [swinog] *SPECIAL* SwiNOG-BE28 - BBQ/Beer Event 28 - 8th of August@ Oerlikerpark
by Bernet Nicole 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

You guys choose - apéro or dessert, whatever is wished! Cheers, -nicole -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Martin Ebnoether Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2005 12:03 An: swinog(a)swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] *SPECIAL* SwiNOG-BE28 - BBQ/Beer Event 28 - 8th of August@ Oerlikerpark Glogger Steven schrieb: [Grill, what people will bring] > this could be: > - beer Bier Paul oder Turbine. Audience, please choose which. > - some hot sauces (venty?) Yes, I'll bring them. Can you imagine me going to a barbie without any hot sauce? =:-) > - desserts I'll bake a chocolate cake with rum-raisins (and rum). > see pictures on http://gallery.glogger.ch/swinogbe16 Cool, not yet seen. *click* CU, Venty _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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*SPECIAL* SwiNOG-BE28 - BBQ/Beer Event 28 - 8th of August @ Oerlikerpark
by Glogger Steven 27 Jul '05

27 Jul '05

hi all last time the weather was not good ;-( i hope that this time we will have a fantastic weather and can enjoy the next tryout of our BBQ event. we go again for this BBQ event Oerlikerpark (near Center Eleven / Zurich Oerlikon). Link for registration http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ please read the whole e-mail - there are some important informations :) when is it? ------------ 8th of august at around 18.30 - until.. well..open end ;) Registration deadline: 08.08.2005 12:00:00 ok, the registration deadline is kind of obsolete. anyone who wants to come just comes. we have enough space ,-) (but for the restaurant in case of bad weather it's quite important) what to food / drink? ----------------------- quite simple: what you bring with you is what you can eat and drink. some ppl are sponsoring some things, but don't rely on that. we will have some grills and some place to seat. i will sponsor some charcoal and bring again some one-way-usable-trow-away grills. and for sure i'll bring the little ventilator ;-) (thanks to roman ;-)) i heard that some guys wants to sponsor some beer ;-) roger will bring a tent... so, if you register and you want to contribute something for others please note it to the "COMMENTS" field when registering. this is very helpful for others to know, that to bring ;-) this could be: - beer - some hot sauces (venty?) - chips & snacks - good mood - bread - desserts - salads - etc.. where is it? ------------- http://www.gis.zh.ch/gb4/zvv/zvv.asp?zvv=ja&hst=0103789 it's in the 'Oerlikerpark' near Center Eleven / Zurich Oerlikon. with the bus 64 or 75 from bahnhof oerlikon until 'Bollingerweg'. or you come with the bus number 80 until 'Birchstrasse' and then walk behind the credit suisse building. ith the car you might park in the Parkhaus Octavo (in the CS building) or in he near of the center eleven (coop; 5min away and has open until 20.00). see pictures on http://gallery.glogger.ch/swinogbe16 problems (!!!): --------------- there is NO public toilet in the near. so please consider this before leaving for the BE ,-) there might be some toilets walking some minutes around ;-) if there is (very) bad weather: -------------------------------- if the weather is very bad on that date we would move to the 'Johanniter' in the 'Döfli'. i' make an email until 12:00 about the change. If someone cannot find us: call me on my handy: 079 / 277 92 35 greetings -steven

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AW: [swinog] future of dsl
by Glogger Steven 26 Jul '05

26 Jul '05

> I don't think it's stupid. With a 56k modem you don't have > any MB included at all, and you pay for traffic. Yes, you > also pay when you install Windows Updates, McAfee updates or > whatever. But if I were a "non-techie", I'd still prefer ADSL > 150/50 instead of a 56k modem - because it's faster! *duh* ok, for the speed: it's 3 times faster .. (ow..is that slow -,)) but is it really cheaper? let's calculate a little bit: 20MB costs the user at least 10.- per month (that he has to switch his telephone to sunrise is another thing). a 56k modem reaches about 7kb/sec. so 20Mb takes about 48 Minutes to download. 1 hour by phone costs something CHF 2.80. i know, its a little bit comparing apples with pears... but at the end: - the user can download faster (ok, it takes hime 16 minutes...) - pays around 10x more ... the user should enjoy a good coffee during that download - which he can of course afford because he saved some money ;-) > Why does everything need to do Swisscom-bashing as a principle? it'snot swisscom bashing (ok, maybe a little bit): but the pricing we have to pay to swisscom is far away from good and bad. it seems that they took a pricelist from 1998 or so for this service... pfft... -steven

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AW: AW: [swinog] future of dsl
by Glogger Steven 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

hi olivier > Idea: Let's say I have a "standard" (600/100) flatrate adsl > account from ISP A at home, and the Sunrise 150 flex > somewhere else (holiday house, chalet, grandparents, etc.). > Will it still work if I just configure the sunrise adsl line > with the login/pw information of ISP A ? (assuming I turn > off the router at home). i suppose swisscom will change that in the near future. so, don't do such a thing ,-) > I guess it would work (but of course still at 150/50), but > what about the 20MB limitation? Who is doing the accounting work: > Swisscom or Sunrise, or both? swisscom does some per-ISP accounting - because they deliver the whole traffic to $ISP. and sunrise has also to do per-user accounting, to send the bill... -steven

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RE: [swinog] future of dsl
by Kuster, Christian 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

Another argument not to use windoze... Christian -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl ...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . . please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value... limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story... just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" <manuel.wenger(a)ticinocom.com> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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R: [swinog] future of dsl
by Manuel Wenger 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

I don't think it's stupid. With a 56k modem you don't have any MB included at all, and you pay for traffic. Yes, you also pay when you install Windows Updates, McAfee updates or whatever. But if I were a "non-techie", I'd still prefer ADSL 150/50 instead of a 56k modem - because it's faster! *duh* At the end, you pay almost the same per hour like with a 56k modem (maybe something less) and you're faster. Again, this product wasn't thought for technical people, but for dial-up users who would like to get rid of the old, slow, noisy modem (yes, you can turn off the speaker, I know :-)) and maybe allow the husband to place a phone call while the wife plays Swiss Lotto, without needing ISDN. Is this so difficult? /methings ADSL Light was a great idea by Swisscom. Why does everything need to do Swisscom-bashing as a principle? Regards Manuel -----Messaggio originale----- Da: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Per conto di Alain Stucki Inviato: venerdì, 22. luglio 2005 10:02 A: swinog(a)swinog.ch Oggetto: AW: [swinog] future of dsl That's exact my position. 20MB/month.. This is really stupid.. 20MB exhausted in a few days by reading your daily spam, some other mails with attached files and so on.. I think no one need ADSL with 20MB traffic limit, the good, old 56k modem is a much better solution for these "Gelegenheits-surfer" No basic free, no traffic limit.. You pay exactly what you get.. Greetz Alain

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AW: [swinog] future of dsl
by Alain Stucki 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

That's exact my position. 20MB/month.. This is really stupid.. 20MB exhausted in a few days by reading your daily spam, some other mails with attached files and so on.. I think no one need ADSL with 20MB traffic limit, the good, old 56k modem is a much better solution for these "Gelegenheits-surfer" No basic free, no traffic limit.. You pay exactly what you get.. Greetz Alain -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von mark walliser Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:55 An: swinog(a)swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] future of dsl please stick to the real world... ...and think again about the "targetpeople"... in addidtion on the other hand: i really cannot think of someone using a "penguin-os" (or whatever) and downloading less than 20MB/month... why the hell can one always make a linux** vs. windows-topic out of everything?! :-/ greetz, mark ** > or freebsd, beos, osx, solaris or anything else... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kuster, Christian" <Christian.Kuster(a)sunrise.net> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [swinog] future of dsl Another argument not to use windoze... Christian -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl ...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . . please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value... limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story... just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" <manuel.wenger(a)ticinocom.com> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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RE: [swinog] future of dsl
by Kuster, Christian 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

For fun :-) -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:55 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl please stick to the real world... ...and think again about the "targetpeople"... in addidtion on the other hand: i really cannot think of someone using a "penguin-os" (or whatever) and downloading less than 20MB/month... why the hell can one always make a linux** vs. windows-topic out of everything?! :-/ greetz, mark ** > or freebsd, beos, osx, solaris or anything else... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kuster, Christian" <Christian.Kuster(a)sunrise.net> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [swinog] future of dsl Another argument not to use windoze... Christian -----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl ...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . . please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value... limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story... just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" <manuel.wenger(a)ticinocom.com> To: <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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R: [swinog] future of dsl
by Manuel Wenger 22 Jul '05

22 Jul '05

Hello, > That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted > in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage > and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. > In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-) What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-) -Manuel

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