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Technical contact at UBS for "Remax"
by Anthony Uk / dataway GmbH 12 Oct '12

12 Oct '12

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SwiNOG #25 Registration is open
by Steven Glogger 10 Oct '12

10 Oct '12

Dear SwiNOGers, The registration for SwiNOG #25 is open until 1st of November. If you want to join after this date, the registration fee is CHF 100.- (can be paid on site). The agenda for SwiNOG #25 is not yet available - if you want to contribute please contact us. A special thank to our sponsors which helped us to make this event happen: Cisco Equinix & Ancotel We're still looking for one additional sponsor ;-) Registration: https://register.swinog.ch/ Have a nice day! -steven SwiNOG Core Team

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Re: [swinog] SwiNOG #25 - Call for Papers #2
by Roman Hochuli 09 Oct '12

09 Oct '12

Hallo Arnold Keine Angst, der DE-CIX Update ist auf der Liste ;) -- Best regards, Roman Hochuli SwiNOG Organisation

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SwiNOG #25 - Call for Papers #2
by Roman Hochuli 06 Oct '12

06 Oct '12

Dear All We are still looking for presentations! Without your contribution it will become a rather short meeting… ;) The 25th meeting of the Swiss Network Operators Group (SwiNOG) will be held in Berne on top of the Gurten on November 7th 2012. Important Dates for SwiNOG#25 --------------------------------------------------- 23.08.2012 Announcement of Meeting 23.08.2012 Call for Papers 01.10.2012 Registration opens 15.10.2012 Call for Papers closing 22.10.2012 Final publication of agenda 01.11.2012 Registration closes 04.11.2012 Deadline for all slides 07.11.2012 Meeting day Topics for Presentations/Talks --------------------------------------------------- The number and length of presentations per session is not fixed, although due to time constraints we would prefer the length of the presentations to be between 10 to 45 minutes. However proposals for longer/shorter presentations or presentations whose subject falls outside of the topics below are also welcome; please do not hesitate to submit them. Here is a non-exhaustive list of typical SwiNOG meeting topics: - Security - DDOS Mitigation - AntiSpam - IPv6 - Open Source tools - International view of the internet (incidents, outages, measurements) - Routing - Server applications (DNS, Web, etc.) - Legal issues (BÜPF, etc.) - Telecommunication polictics (Net Neutrality, Incumbent monopoly, etc.) - Big Data / Cloud Language of Slides and Talks --------------------------------------------------- The whole day will be held in English, therefore we kindly ask you to produce your presentation in English. Submission Guidelines --------------------------------------------------- All submissions must have a strong technical bias and must not be solely promotional for your employer. Please remember that your presentations should be suitable for a target audience of technicians from varied backgrounds, working for companies whose sizes may vary considerably. To submit a proposal for a presentation, we request that you provide the following information to <swinog-core at swinog.ch>: * the name of the presenter (and if applicable your affiliation) * a working email address * the name and number of the topic which will contain the presentation * the title of the presentation * its expected length (in minutes) * a short abstract of the presentation (so we know what it is about) We also welcome suggestions for specific presentations which you feel would be valuable to the SwiNOG community. Please be aware that your presentation will be published on the SwiNOG website after the event. We can publish modified slides if requested - it might be that some confidential data will be presented by you which are not intended for publication on the internet. Greetings, Steven Glogger SwiNOG Core Team General Information (SwiNOG Community) --------------------------------------------------- The Swiss Network Operators Group (SwiNOG) is an informal group of people who are concerned with engineering and operation of the Swiss Internet. SwiNOG exists to enhance the quality of Internet services available in Switzerland. It does this by fostering the free exchange of technical ideas and information between different companies and organisations. SwiNOG is a community for professionals who are operating, designing or researching the Internet. It provides a technical forum where those working on, with and for the Internet can come together to solve problems with every aspect of their (net)work. The meeting is designed to provide an opportunity for the exchange of information among network operators, engineers, researchers and other professionals close to the network community. More information about SwiNOG can be found at http://www.swinog.ch/ Information about the meeting will be published at http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog25/ General Information (SwiNOG Organisation) --------------------------------------------------- The SwiNOG Organisation Association is a non-profit association under article 60 and further of the swiss civil law. It manages the SwiNOG community ressources (domain, web, mailing-lists, etc..) and organises SwiNOG meetings. Contact: SwiNOG Organisation 8000 Zurich Switzerland -- Best regards, Roman Hochuli SwiNOG Organisation

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SwiNOG-BE114 - Beer Event 114 - 8th of October 2012 @ Don Weber / ZH
by Steven Glogger 05 Oct '12

05 Oct '12

hi everybody here's the announcement for the next beer event: the facts for the next event: ----------------------------- Date: monday, 8th of October 2012 Time: starting around 18.30 o'clock Location: @ the "Don Weber" in ZH (http://www.donweber.ch/) Registration deadline: 07.10.2012 20:00:00 Registration URL: mail me :) the registration page is currently on vacations :) ----------------------------- since we have to make reservations, i need to know who's coming and who not. If you cannot attend and you're registered please inform me asap (+41 79 277 92 35). greetings -steven

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Compaq/HP Racks
by Viktor Steinmann 02 Oct '12

02 Oct '12

Hi all I have some 19" racks to give away for free: 2 x Compaq rack 1 x HP rack (basically the same as the 2 Compaq racks, but with HP logo) 1 x whatever rack... but 19" (see Picture) Pickup Location: Zug Those racks are in perfect condition, just not used anymore. Please contact me off-list, if you're interested. Pictures: http://www.stony.com/stuff/2%20compaq%20racks.jpg http://www.stony.com/stuff/hp%20rack.jpg http://www.stony.com/stuff/whatever%20rack.jpg Kind regards, Viktor

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Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
by Matthias Hertzog 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

Hi there! Thanks for the answers. I've tried to call KOBIK, but they have a) no direct phone number and b) give no answers on the phone. Not very motivating of an ISP who wants to make a good job. However, i've entered the form at http://www.cybercrime.admin.ch/content/kobik/de/home/meldeformular.html and now we wait and see. If i'm allowed to publicly post the answer from them, i'll do so when it arrives. Best wishes & happy weekend, Matthias ----- Original Message ----- From: Andreas Fink To: Matthias Hertzog Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not? hosting might not be the issue, running might be butt hat's your customer's problem... On 28.09.2012, at 15:32, Matthias Hertzog <m.hertzog(a)mhs.ch> wrote: Hi folks We've got a request from a potential client if we're able to host a bet website in switzerland. It's about sports and looks like Toto-X. Is it legal for us as ISP to host such a site? I know the rules when porn is involved, but habe no informations about bet websites. Thanks for your answers & have a nice weekend, Matthias _________________________________________ mhs @ internet AG Zürcherstrasse 204, CH - 9014 St. Gallen Phone +41 71 274 93 93, Fax +41 71 274 93 94 http://www.mhs.ch _________________________________________ _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Bet-Website hosting in switzerland - legal or not?
by Matthias Hertzog 28 Sep '12

28 Sep '12

Hi folks We've got a request from a potential client if we're able to host a bet website in switzerland. It's about sports and looks like Toto-X. Is it legal for us as ISP to host such a site? I know the rules when porn is involved, but habe no informations about bet websites. Thanks for your answers & have a nice weekend, Matthias _________________________________________ mhs @ internet AG Zürcherstrasse 204, CH - 9014 St. Gallen Phone +41 71 274 93 93, Fax +41 71 274 93 94 http://www.mhs.ch _________________________________________

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RING.nlnog.net
by Jeroen Massar 27 Sep '12

27 Sep '12

Hi folks, Something interresting also for you the ISPs present here: https://ring.nlnog.net/ we have joined today too, and so can you (given you have an ASN etc and match the other requirements Slideware from yesterday's RIPE presentation: https://ripe65.ripe.net/presentations/105-RIPE65_NLNOG_RING_Job_Snijders.pdf and even a video: https://ripe65.ripe.net/archives/video/52/ text from the homepage also below. (always good to see who is doing the stuff) Greets, Jeroen -- from http://ring.nlnog.net 8<--------------------- * Motivation I’ve noticed that there are a lot of friendly ‘shell access’ exchange deals between network operators. This makes it easier for parties to debug network issues and troubleshoot ‘from the outside’. A point of view outside your network is absolutely essential, seeing what others see is a useful thing with a variety of network problems. Well known examples are ‘it works for even numbered ip address, but not for odd numbered ip address via this and this route’. To encourage and provide a streamlined way of cooperating I introduce the ”NLNOG RING”. In essence the deal is very simple: you make a (virtual) machine available to the RING, and you gain access on all servers which are part of the project, hence the name “RING”. A great example would be to launch a traceroute from 80 servers in different networks and quickly get the results instead of waiting till somebody has the time to run some tests for you. * Participation Participation is open to everybody who meets the following requirements: You are a network operator The organisation you work for has BGP routers connected to the ”Default Free Zone” and maybe even IXP’s. Your organisation has its own ASN, IPv4 and IPv6 prefix(es). You have enable or configure rights on those routers. You are involved in the networkers community. You have permission from your organisation to become involved in the NLNOG RING. ---------------------->8

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Presentation from last SWNOG meeting
by Roque Gagliano 23 Sep '12

23 Sep '12

Hi SWnogers, I am looking for the presentation from last meeting. It seams that they are not available at the usual place. Any change here or "work in progress"? Regards, Roque

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IP protection in Switzerland
by Alexandre Egger 21 Sep '12

21 Sep '12

For those of you who have some spare time this weekend, there is a piece of entertainment written by the so-called USA government which sack Switzerland over IP protection. You will be amazingly surprised to hear that Switzerland is a magnet for rogue sites. Considering the tightness of Art. 67, it must be an irony note from some officials to make sure their fellow colleagues do read what they write. […] Switzerland Switzerland’s copyright law is inadequate, making it a home for rogue sites whose clear purpose is to facilitate and enable massive unauthorized making available of pirated material. It must be updated to provide for meaningful enforcement efforts against digital piracy. Until these changes are made, Switzerland will continue to be a magnet for rogue sites. Switzerland must ensure basic accountability for enterprises that profit from widespread infringement and clarify that copying from illegal sources is illegal. In doing so, Switzerland will fulfill its obligations under the WIPO Internet Treaties and other international copyright norms. […] Source: http://www.rts.ch/info/4289107.html/BINARY/Caucus.pdf Nice weekend.

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Looking for second hand SPARC hardware
by Marcel Prisi 14 Sep '12

14 Sep '12

Hi All, We have a project in need of SPARC hardware, ideally T3 or somewhere like that based ... Have some of you older hardware to sell ? Thanks in advance !

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RIPE NCC APIs: Developer docs
by Alex Band 14 Sep '12

14 Sep '12

I wanted to let you know we've created a dedicated page for all developer documentation about our different APIs. Apart from the best known one for the RIPE Database REST API, there is also documentation for the RIPE NCC LIR Portal API, giving you access to all your (private) resource information, such as ASNs, IPv4 and IPv6 allocations, Assignment Window history, PI assignments, Legacy space, etc. In addition, there is also an IP Analyser API, giving you the ability to get an overview of all the assignments you've made, what available free space you have in your allocations and all invalid assignments that require your attention. Lastly, there are APIs for RIPE Stat and RIPE Atlas data, providing you with a wealth of Internet measurements, data analysis and statistics. Have a look at http://ripe.net/developers Cheers, Alex Band Product Manager RIPE NCC

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Friday Giveaway
by chris burri 14 Sep '12

14 Sep '12

Hi all, Since I gave up on my business, I have more than 20 quality desks and close to 40 chairs to give away for free! Plus one luxury flipchart. I really mean it, all that stuff can be had for _free_! Only catch is: You need to come and pick it up either today (Friday) at Brauerstrasse 97 in St. Gallen. Everything that's not gone by this eve will be hauled off by the brocki or thrown away :-( Desks and chairs are disassembled already for quick and easy transport. Nuts and bolts for reassembly included. We have a large elevator and a loading bay if you come by truck... Desks are 150x75x72 in size with a robust 40mm white/pale grey wooden plate and adjustable dark grey steel feet. Chairs are of the simple type but with a flexible back rest. Pictures can be found here: http://imageshack.us/g/1/9756532/ Drop me a line or call me after 10:00am on 078 878 2468 if you want some. Cheers Chris --- -= Amat Victoria Curam =-

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Thank you for participating the Survey on IPSEC VPN vs. managed MPLS
by Beat Eichenberger 12 Sep '12

12 Sep '12

Dear SwiNOG members Many thanks to all of you for participating the survey. I have received many very valuable feedbacks and I guess the outcome may be of interest for the most of you. Before I can provide you with all the details, I will need some time to put all the data together and doublecheck my interpretation with the ones that left their contact details. I will therefore get in contact with them and may ask some more questions ;-) If there are still members, that have not yet had the time to participate and they have some feedback for me, please use the new collector link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/MPLSvsIPSecVPN_Eng I closed the other one so I can start with the statistical part... Many thanks again and kind regards! Beat Von: Beat Eichenberger Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. September 2012 21:31 An: swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch Betreff: Survey on IPSEC VPN vs. managed MPLS Dear SwiNOG members I'm currently finishing my <FH/Bachelor> degree on IT and economics and I'm therefore focusing on my bachelor thesis. I'm working in the telecommunications industries since more than 15 years now, and having the role as "Head of Telecommunication" in an international IT company. My thesis is about the acceptance of IP Sec VPN for Intranet transport connections. I'm following the assumption, that most international companies have already changed, or would be ready to change their classical leased line services, mostly MPLS based and managed by service providers, against self-managed IPSec Internet VPN. I already had some very interesting interviews with CTO's and IT Managers from many companies. They do believe that the internet and technology today is mature enough. But when I ask them about their opinion on that topic, they mostly refer to their network professionals, since they hold a key role on technical decision of such matter. My goal is to reach as many network engineers, heads of telecommunication, CTO's, etc. as possible. So pros like you and I responsible for planning, engineering and/or maintaining their company's intranet. Therefore I'm kindly asking you, if you could please participate on the following survey, if the description above applies to you: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/MPLSvsIPSec I very much appreciate your help and contribution! It is planned to present the results and outcome on SwiNOG#25 in Bern. Many thanks for your feedback and support! Beat

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Old functional hardware - where does it best go?
by Jeroen Massar 07 Sep '12

07 Sep '12

Hi, So, interrupting the summery silence on this list a bit, and it might not be entirely swinog-appropriate... but... I was doing some sorting out of various things and realized that I amassed too many old unused computers and various components that are still in full functional order, but not very useful to use due to their oldness, powerconsumption and simply as they have been replaced with better ones. As such, I am asking if somebody knows what the best way is to get effectively rid of various things like a full functioning (network,video,audio) p100 (DEC multia), a p200 (small tower), a dual p2-266 (tower), a dual p3-600 (qube case), nslu2's and then an assorted list of other things like cd drives etc. What is the best way to go with this kind of stuff? Trash is an option, but it is not like these things are small ;) Greets, Jeroen

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Re: [swinog] Old functional hardware - where does it best go?
by vwatson＠dancendrumarts.com 07 Sep '12

07 Sep '12

Chris: I am soo sad you didn't hit me up about the old Cisco gear you sent away...I would have taken it all! Same goes for youJeroen, if you've got Cisco gear going to that pile, I will be glad to relieve you of it FREE OF CHARGE! And I will come pick it up as well. Cheers, Vinnie -----Original Message----- From: Chris Meidinger [mailto:cmeidinger@sendmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 7, 2012 09:24 AM To: 'Jeroen Massar' Cc: swinog(a)swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] Old functional hardware - where does it best go? Hey Jeroen,when I cleaned out my lab, a similar list of items plus a ton of old Cisco stuff, I donated the whole lot to some guys who were putting together a hackerspace. Maybe there's something similar, a hackerspace or maker lab near you? ChrisOn Sep 7, 2012, at 9:18, Jeroen Massar wrote:> Hi,> > So, interrupting the summery silence on this list a bit, and it might> not be entirely swinog-appropriate... but... I was doing some sorting> out of various things and realized that I amassed too many old unused> computers and various components that are still in full functional> order, but not very useful to use due to their oldness, powerconsumption> and simply as they have been replaced with better ones.> > As such, I am asking if somebody knows what the best way is to get> effectively rid of various things like a full functioning> (network,video,audio) p100 (DEC multia), a p200 (small tower), a dual> p2-266 (tower), a dual p3-600 (qube case), nslu2's and then an assorted> list of other things like cd drives etc.> > What is the best way to go with this kind of stuff? Trash is an option,> but it is not like these things are small ;)> > Greets,> Jeroen> > > _______________________________________________> swinog mailing list> swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch> http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog_____________________… mailing listswinog@lists.swinog.chhttp://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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Survey on IPSEC VPN vs. managed MPLS
by Beat Eichenberger 04 Sep '12

04 Sep '12

Dear SwiNOG members I'm currently finishing my <FH/Bachelor> degree on IT and economics and I'm therefore focusing on my bachelor thesis. I'm working in the telecommunications industries since more than 15 years now, and having the role as "Head of Telecommunication" in an international IT company. My thesis is about the acceptance of IP Sec VPN for Intranet transport connections. I'm following the assumption, that most international companies have already changed, or would be ready to change their classical leased line services, mostly MPLS based and managed by service providers, against self-managed IPSec Internet VPN. I already had some very interesting interviews with CTO's and IT Managers from many companies. They do believe that the internet and technology today is mature enough. But when I ask them about their opinion on that topic, they mostly refer to their network professionals, since they hold a key role on technical decision of such matter. My goal is to reach as many network engineers, heads of telecommunication, CTO's, etc. as possible. So pros like you and I responsible for planning, engineering and/or maintaining their company's intranet. Therefore I'm kindly asking you, if you could please participate on the following survey, if the description above applies to you: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/MPLSvsIPSec I very much appreciate your help and contribution! It is planned to present the results and outcome on SwiNOG#25 in Bern. Many thanks for your feedback and support! Beat

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NIC
by Lukas Eisenberger 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

Anybody else also having problems reaching www.nic.ch? Cheers Luke

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Re: [swinog] NIC
by Xaver Aerni 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

Hello, Ping to Server work. Only by Browser is nothing comming. Greetings Xaver Lukas Eisenberger <lukas.eisenberger.mailinglist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Anybody else also having problems reaching www.nic.ch? > > Cheers > > Luke > > > _______________________________________________ > swinog mailing list > swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch > http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog > >

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SwiNOG-BE113 - Beer Event 113 - 3rd of September 2012 @ Steinfels / ZH
by Steven Glogger 01 Sep '12

01 Sep '12

hi everybody here's the announcement for the next beer event: the facts for the next event: ----------------------------- Date: 3rd of September 2012 Time: starting around 18.30 o'clock Location: @ the "Steinfels" in ZH Registration deadline: 02.09.2012 22:00:00 Registration URL: http://swinog.mrmouse.ch/ ----------------------------- since we have to make reservations, i need to know who's coming and who not. If you cannot attend and you're registered please inform me asap (+41 79 277 92 35). greetings -steven

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Brocade/Foundry RX-4 units for sale
by Alexandre Egger 31 Aug '12

31 Aug '12

Hi there all. We are selling a few Foundry RX-4 units. The proposal consists of fully-feature Foundry/Brocade 24 ports Gigabit, with 3 switch fabrics, 2 management modules, 2 power supplies and an upgraded RAM of 2 GB on the management card. The equipment is in full working conditions (it is still somewhere in production in a datacenter in Switzerland). In terms of cosmetic appearance, it has a few scratches, nothing terrifying. Multiple units available. Foundry BigIron RX-4 1x BI-RX-4-AC BI RX-4 Chassis: 1 Management Module, 2 Switch Fabric for BigIron RX-4 Chassis, 1 AC power supply and Fan assembly 1x RX-ACPWR-B-SYS RX-Series Chassis AC power supply for RX-4 1x RX-BI-MR Management Module BigIron RX-Series 1x RX-BI-SFM1 Switch Fabric for BigIron RX-4 Chassis 1x RX-BI24F RX-BI-2GB-FRU 2x Power cords Price: 10000 CHF / 8320 EUR per unit (or make your best bid) Manufacturer's suggested retail price: 39000 CHF For buyers in Switzerland, it is possible pick-up units in Zurich or Geneva (we may arrange a free delivery within reasonable distance). For bidders located outside Switzerland, we can arrange shipping after the unit has been paid for. If you are truly interested, make your proposal by email directly to myself. Last code version installed on delivery :-) Have a nice weekend! Alex

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Pro / Contra Backup MX?
by Benoit Panizzon 31 Aug '12

31 Aug '12

Heya Swinog We have business customers with an own mailservers asking us to provide a backup MX for their mailserver. Usualy we deny such request, because such a backup MX would bounce all spam which cannot be relayed, and anyway, the sending server usualy queues the email usualy about the same amount of time a backup mx would queue it. So we see not advantage, but a big disatvantage. Now some of our customers complain that 'all other ISP' offers such services. So I wanted to know your opinions: - Why would business customers _need_ their ISP to operate a backup MX for them? - Why can you avoid the disatvantage to generate a shitload of bounces when operating ab backup MX? - Is it true, that most ISP offer this kind of service? Mit freundlichen Grüssen Benoit Panizzon -- I m p r o W a r e A G - ______________________________________________________ Zurlindenstrasse 29 Tel +41 61 826 93 07 CH-4133 Pratteln Fax +41 61 826 93 02 Schweiz Web http://www.imp.ch ______________________________________________________

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MS DNS creating invalid records rejected by Bind check-names?
by Benoit Panizzon 30 Aug '12

30 Aug '12

Hello World! We have a strange problem with a customer for which we provide secondary DNS services. He uses a Microsoft DNS Server. According to the RFC I found, the underscore character is only valid in SRV Records. In any other records, this is an invalid character. Our Customers ADS Server keeps autocreating one records like this: gc._msdcs.web.EXAMPLE.COM 1800 IN A 192.0.2.44 Bind refuses to accept zone transfers from his server and eventualy the zone expires on the secondary. Then the customer deletes the RR, the transfer is successfull, but shortly afterwards the mentioned A record with underscore is re-created by the ADS and the problem is back. Is this some kind of MS DNS bug, or have the DNS RFCs been updated recently to also allow underscores in other RR and some non bleading edge versions of bind still use the check from previous rfc? Benoit Panizzon -- I m p r o W a r e A G - ______________________________________________________ Zurlindenstrasse 29 Tel +41 61 826 93 07 CH-4133 Pratteln Fax +41 61 826 93 02 Schweiz Web http://www.imp.ch ______________________________________________________

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tgif: Friday 31. August Ueli Bier in Basel
by Miguel Elias 27 Aug '12

27 Aug '12

Hi to all, Last tgif some colleges thought, we could repeat the last informal get-to-gather, so let us encounter again. In Bern, there will be a concurrent gathering, so know you have some choice. So we meet next: Friday 31. August about 19:00 o'clock Locations: http://tel.search.ch/basel/rheingasse-45/restaurant-fischerstube http://tinyurl.com/blhrqle So let us celebrate the last labour day of the week, giving thanks to your personal deity. skál[1] tgif = thanks goddess it's Friday Saludos Miguel ===== German ===== Hallo zusammen, Am letzten tgif, dachten einige Kollegen, dass wir dieses Treffen in Basel wiederholen sollten. In Bern findet zwar zeitgleich auch ein Treffen statt, aber so habt ihr etwas Auswahl. Freitag 31. August ab 19:00 Wo: Fischerstube Basel http://tel.search.ch/basel/rheingasse-45/restaurant-fischerstube http://tinyurl.com/blhrqle Last eure Arbeit in der Firma und bedankt euch bei der euch nächstliegenden höheren Götttin für den Freitag. Prost. tgif = thanks god it's friday Saludos Miguel [1] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sk%C3%A1l#Icelandic

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