forgot to mention, that the ideal tool would deal with overlapping
RFC1918 ranges as well ;-)
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From: Stanislav Sinyagin ssinyagin@yahoo.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:56:30 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
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From: Viktor Steinmann
I cannot speak for all, but as for us, we want to manage ALL IPs in one tool
- even the RFC1918 IPs for internal use.
also AS numbers, VLAN numbers, RD, RT, VRF names in an MPLS network, BGP communities,.... in the end, port numbers on your switches ;-)
Probably Michael is right, RIPE DB is the only professional open source tool able to do that.
Actually many commercial tools aren't doing it well either. EasyIP is just one example :-)
Also it's quite clear why there aren't many open source tool of good quality: programmers don't understand IP networking, and network engineers (in general) cannot develop software of good quality :-)
I have used VitalQIP (commercial, expensive, Alcatel Lucent) in my previous job (car maker IT headquarters, 200 000 IP addresses), I won't advise it either ... It's a full suite for DNS, DHCP, IP management.
Not as scalable as expected to be, bad support from the editor, quite rigid, your architecture has to adapt to their way of thinking and programming, and I must admit the programmers didn't know about network latency when they studied the scalability of the product (5 servers DNS/DHCP were oversees, more than 200ms ping each, they were never able to efficiently deal with that).
Before quitting, I was searching for an open source alternative, but as the philosophy of the company was just starting to be "open minded", they still run QIP (and bought a newer version for $$$$$) ...
My 2 cents,
2008/11/13 Stanislav Sinyagin ssinyagin@yahoo.com
forgot to mention, that the ideal tool would deal with overlapping
RFC1918 ranges as well ;-)
----- Original Message ----
From: Stanislav Sinyagin ssinyagin@yahoo.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:56:30 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
----- Original Message ----
From: Viktor Steinmann
I cannot speak for all, but as for us, we want to manage ALL IPs in one
tool
- even the RFC1918 IPs for internal use.
also AS numbers, VLAN numbers, RD, RT, VRF names in an MPLS network, BGP communities,.... in the end, port numbers on your switches ;-)
Probably Michael is right, RIPE DB is the only professional open source
tool
able to do that.
Actually many commercial tools aren't doing it well either. EasyIP is
just one
example :-)
Also it's quite clear why there aren't many open source tool of good
quality:
programmers don't understand IP networking, and network engineers (in
general)
cannot develop software of good quality :-)
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Philippe, "searching for open source alternative" is a wrong approach. A company should sponsor the development of a new open source tool which would match their requirements. In the short term, this could even be more expensive than buying a commercial software.
________________________________ From: Philippe Teissier philippe.teissier@gmail.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:43:58 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
I have used VitalQIP (commercial, expensive, Alcatel Lucent) in my previous job (car maker IT headquarters, 200 000 IP addresses), I won't advise it either ... It's a full suite for DNS, DHCP, IP management.
Not as scalable as expected to be, bad support from the editor, quite rigid, your architecture has to adapt to their way of thinking and programming, and I must admit the programmers didn't know about network latency when they studied the scalability of the product (5 servers DNS/DHCP were oversees, more than 200ms ping each, they were never able to efficiently deal with that).
Before quitting, I was searching for an open source alternative, but as the philosophy of the company was just starting to be "open minded", they still run QIP (and bought a newer version for $$$$$) ...
Of course they did not understand it that way as you can imagine ... The good point is that they now consider that with the same features in a commercial and open source solution, then they may choose the open alternative. That was'nt true when I arrived !! My idea was that the company doesn't have a solution efficient, and the cost is just insane. So my goal was to study any alternative (even with internal dev). But that approach does not fit into the plans of the company... The evolution is slow but is not null ...
Anyway, I'm far :)
2008/11/13 Stanislav Sinyagin ssinyagin@yahoo.com
Philippe, "searching for open source alternative" is a wrong approach. A company should sponsor the development of a new open source tool which would match their requirements. In the short term, this could even be more expensive than buying a commercial software.
From: Philippe Teissier philippe.teissier@gmail.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:43:58 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IP Management Tool
I have used VitalQIP (commercial, expensive, Alcatel Lucent) in my previous job (car maker IT headquarters, 200 000 IP addresses), I won't advise it either ... It's a full suite for DNS, DHCP, IP management.
Not as scalable as expected to be, bad support from the editor, quite rigid, your architecture has to adapt to their way of thinking and programming, and I must admit the programmers didn't know about network latency when they studied the scalability of the product (5 servers DNS/DHCP were oversees, more than 200ms ping each, they were never able to efficiently deal with that).
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