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##### SwiNOG #33 - Reminder #####
by Simon Ryf 09 Apr '18

09 Apr '18

Dear SwiNOG supporter, Our Agenda is filling up but there are still open slots. Please let us know if you would like to contribute for a speech or a lightning Talk (5min). NOTE: we have a slight earlier date for the surprise. Please register until Sunday 6th. Registration https://register.swinog.ch If you register until Sunday 06.05.2018 there will be a special surprise for you :-) Call for Paper!! Please send your proposal to swinog-core(a)swinog.ch The 33rd meeting of the Swiss Network Operators Group (SwiNOG) will be held in Berne on top of the Gurten on Thursday May 24th 2018. Important Dates for SwiNOG#33 01.03.2018 Call for Papers 01.03.2018 Registration opens 30.04.2018 Call for Papers closing 01.05.2018 Publication of the preliminary Agenda 11.05.2018 Final publication of agenda 19.05.2018 Registration closes 22.05.2018 Deadline for all slides 24.05.2018 Meeting day Topics for Presentations/Talks The number and length of presentations per session is not fixed, although due to time constraints we would prefer the length of the presentations to be between 5 to 45 minutes. Here is a non-exhaustive list of typical SwiNOG meeting topics: - Security - DDOS Mitigation - AntiSpam - IPv6 - Open Source tools - International view of the internet (incidents, outages, measurements) - Routing - Server applications (DNS, Web, etc.) - Legal issues (B‹PF, etc.) - Telecommunication politics (Net Neutrality, Incumbent monopoly, etc.) -> PLEASE feel free to talk to us about any kind of topic and collaboration!!! You can always start a discussion on the list - I'm sure people join in. Language of Slides and Talks The whole day will be held in English, therefore we kindly ask you to produce your presentation in English. Submission Guidelines All submissions must have a strong technical bias and must not be solely promotional for your employer. Please remember that your presentations should be suitable for a target audience of technicians from varied backgrounds, working for companies whose sizes may vary considerably. To submit a proposal for a presentation, we request that you provide the following information to <swinog-core at swinog.ch>: * the name of the presenter (and if applicable your affiliation) * a working email-address * the name and number of the topic which will contain the presentation * the title of the presentation * its expected length (in minutes) * a short abstract of the presentation (so we know what it is about) We also welcome suggestions for specific presentations which you feel would be valuable to the SwiNOG community. Please be aware that your presentation will be published on the SwiNOG website after the event. We can publish modified slides if requested - it might be that some confidential data will be presented by you which are not intended for publication on the internet. Greetings, Simon Ryf SwiNOG Core Team General Information (SwiNOG Community) The Swiss Network Operators Group (SwiNOG) is an informal group of people who are concerned with engineering and operation of the Swiss Internet. SwiNOG exists to enhance the quality of Internet services available in Switzerland. It does this by fostering the free exchange of technical ideas and information between different companies and organisations. SwiNOG is a community for professionals who are operating, designing or researching the Internet. It provides a technical forum where those working on, with and for the Internet can come together to solve problems with every aspect of their (net)work. The meeting is designed to provide an opportunity for the exchange of information among network operators, engineers, researchers and other professionals close to the network community. More information about SwiNOG can be found at http://www.swinog.ch , Facebook, Xing, Information about the meeting will be published at http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog33 General Information (SwiNOG Organisation) The SwiNOG Organisation Association is a non-profit association under article 60 and further of the swiss civil law. It manages the SwiNOG community resources (domain, web, mailing-lists, etc..) and organises SwiNOG meetings. Contact: SwiNOG Organisation 8000 Zurich Switzerland

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Help with DNSSEC issue... (bncr.fi.cr)
by Benoit Panizzon 09 Apr '18

09 Apr '18

Hi List Usually I have no problems identifying DNSSEC issues, but I don't get this one. Our two main caching DNS Servers run bind 9.11.2-P1, after flushing the cache and even restarting still see an issue with this domain: 09-Apr-2018 09:28:25.934 no valid RRSIG resolving 'ns2.bncr.fi.cr/DS/IN': 201.220.29.22#53 09-Apr-2018 09:28:26.111 no valid RRSIG resolving 'ns2.bncr.fi.cr/DS/IN': 201.220.29.151#53 09-Apr-2018 09:28:26.111 no valid DS resolving 'ns2.bncr.fi.cr/AAAA/IN': 201.220.29.22#53 09-Apr-2018 09:28:26.111 no valid DS resolving 'ns2.bncr.fi.cr/A/IN': 201.220.29.22#53 09-Apr-2018 09:28:26.286 broken trust chain resolving 'ns2.bncr.fi.cr/A/IN': 201.220.29.151#53 https://en.internet.nl/site/www.bncr.fi.cr/199938/ => DNSSEC Valid http://dnsviz.net/d/www.bncr.fi.cr/dnssec/ => No issues Doing the same test via a 9.10.3-P4-Debian with Validation enabled, works fine. Retrieving any +dnssec with dig shows there is an RRSIG for those entries. Does anyone have an idea what the cause of this issue could be? Maybe an algo which Bind 9.10 understands (or does not and therefore skipps testing) but 9.11 not? The log of bind 9.10 looks like the validation did succeed thou... Mit freundlichen Grüssen -Benoît Panizzon- -- I m p r o W a r e A G - Leiter Commerce Kunden ______________________________________________________ Zurlindenstrasse 29 Tel +41 61 826 93 00 CH-4133 Pratteln Fax +41 61 826 93 01 Schweiz Web http://www.imp.ch ______________________________________________________

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Public Wifi and BüPF
by Jean-Pierre Schwickerath 09 Apr '18

09 Apr '18

Dear colleagues I'd like to ask if anyone can confirm that the information published on https://www.digitale-gesellschaft.ch/publicwlan/ is accurate in regards to being subject to "Überwachungspflichten gemäss BÜPF". We have been asked by a customer to sell him a Wifi-Installation for his café. We are going to sell him the hardware and do the one time installation. Afterwards the customer is running the infrastructure himself, he might ask us for help for firmware upgrades and similar tasks but we are not going to run that Wifi as a service or do any monitoring. If I understand the information on the above page correctly, he doesn't need to identify his users, so he won't (and won't store any logs) and as a consequence he will not have any information to be stored for 6 months for the büpf. Is that so? The other question that comes to my mind: if the customer provides a captive portal to have users acknowledge a "Hausordnung" / code of conduct, then the APs will "store" which MAC address has checked the box. Does that make his subject to the Büpf? Thank you very much for your input on this topic. Best Regards Jean-Pierre -- HILOTEC Engineering + Consulting AG - Langnau im Emmental IT für KMUs: Netzwerke, Server, PCs, Linux, Telefonanlagen, VOIP, Hosting, Datenbanken, Entwicklung, WLAN, Cloud, Firewalls Tel: +41 34 408 01 00 - https://www.hilotec.com/

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GMX Mail
by Rony Spitzer 03 Apr '18

03 Apr '18

Hello Everybody Someone here from gmx that can contact me offlist ? Its about an email issue with one domain from our server. Thank you Kind Regards datastrom.ch We connect you datastrom.ch / Rony Spitzer Rony Spitzer Grieshalde 5 8253 Diessenhofen https://www.datastrom.ch<https://www.datastrom.ch/> UID : CHE-158-893-161 ASN 52177 as52177.net Rackspace for Education ? http://www.giganet.ch<http://www.giganet.ch/>

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Re: [swinog] VDSL Standards behind BBCS Profile > 100 Mbit/s
by Simon Ryf 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

Hi Patrick Swisscom is using Huawei MA5811S for those installations. They’re doing G.fast with it – not VDSL. If your devices support G.9701 you don’t need to worry. Br Simon From: <swinog-bounces(a)lists.swinog.ch> on behalf of Patrick Studer <p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch> Date: Tuesday, 27 March 2018 at 16:52 To: "swinog(a)swinog.ch" <swinog(a)swinog.ch> Subject: [swinog] VDSL Standards behind BBCS Profile > 100 Mbit/s Hi Today, we had a customer with a line upgrade. Before the upgrade, he had a naked VDSL 20/2. After Swisscom attached Building to the Fibre (FTTB), the are able to order max. 500/120. Fibre is only in the basement of the building, where it’s „converted“ to copper. It did see the Swisscom equipment, and it looks like the equipment, they normally put in the street curb. They order an upgrade to 300/60. Current Equipment „only“ Support VDSL Profile 17a (which maxout around 100 Mbit/s downstream). ISP tell us, they can setup a profile 17a or VDSL Fast/G.Fast. But G.Fast isn’t VDSL (I know about this new standard/successor for VDSL). But never heard about VDSL Fast and could find anything on the internet or in device specification from Cisco/Zyxel. IMHO, VDSL is normally reference by ITU G.993.x or profiles like 17a, 30a, 35b etc.). Even the BBCS Approved List isn’t very specific. It only mention VDSL2 and V-VDSL2. To be able to offer the right device, we should know the exact standard behind this 300/60 Profile (G. Fast or VDSL Profile 35b or something else). So, I hoped, someone from the swinog could perhaps help. Thanks for you inputs. Kind Regards Patrick Studer ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch Mischelistrasse 29 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch CH-4153 Reinach Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ****************************************************************************** _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog(a)lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog

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VDSL Standards behind BBCS Profile > 100 Mbit/s
by Patrick Studer 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

Hi Today, we had a customer with a line upgrade. Before the upgrade, he had a naked VDSL 20/2. After Swisscom attached Building to the Fibre (FTTB), the are able to order max. 500/120. Fibre is only in the basement of the building, where it’s „converted“ to copper. It did see the Swisscom equipment, and it looks like the equipment, they normally put in the street curb. They order an upgrade to 300/60. Current Equipment „only“ Support VDSL Profile 17a (which maxout around 100 Mbit/s downstream). ISP tell us, they can setup a profile 17a or VDSL Fast/G.Fast. But G.Fast isn’t VDSL (I know about this new standard/successor for VDSL). But never heard about VDSL Fast and could find anything on the internet or in device specification from Cisco/Zyxel. IMHO, VDSL is normally reference by ITU G.993.x or profiles like 17a, 30a, 35b etc.). Even the BBCS Approved List isn’t very specific. It only mention VDSL2 and V-VDSL2. To be able to offer the right device, we should know the exact standard behind this 300/60 Profile (G. Fast or VDSL Profile 35b or something else). So, I hoped, someone from the swinog could perhaps help. Thanks for you inputs. Kind Regards Patrick Studer ****************************************************************************** X-NetConsulting GmbH Internet http://www.x-netconsulting.ch <http://www.x-netconsulting.ch/> Mischelistrasse 29 E-Mail p.studer(a)x-netconsulting.ch <mailto:p.studer@x-netconsulting.ch> CH-4153 Reinach Telefon +41 61 315 85 55 Schweiz Fax +41 61 315 85 59 ******************************************************************************

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Swinog-BE165 - Beer Event 165 @ Kings Cave / ZH
by Viktor Steinmann 27 Mar '18

27 Mar '18

Dear SwiNOGers, This is the rebirth of the legendary SwiNOG Beer Event. We'll have some nice meat (the John Stone Entrecote is fantastic) and of course a nice beer. Details for the next event: ----------------------------------------------- Event: Swinog-BE165 - Beer Event 165 When? Monday, 9th April 2018 19:00 Where? Kings Cave Central 1, 8001 Zürich http://central.ch/portfolio_page/kings-cave/ (GoogleMaps Link: http://goo.gl/maps/H1ez7HeF6x72) Places avaiable? 10 !! Please sign up if you're really coming - because the seats are limited! !! ----------------------------------------------- Registration: Start: Tuesday, 27th March 2018 - 15:00 Stop: Thursday, 5th April 2018 - 14:00 Reg-URL: http://swinog.be/ ----------------------------------------------- Since we have to make reservations, I need to know who's coming and who not. If you can't attend and you're registered please inform me ASAP (078 602 95 18). Kind regards, Viktor Steinmann (aka Stony)

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Swisscom Hosted problem / domain not removed
by DUCHET Rémy 16 Mar '18

16 Mar '18

Hi @ll, We have some issues on some domain hosted at Swisscom. We have migrate some client out of Swisscom servers, and now we have some issues. Some domain sender are rejected because there are not loggedin.. For example : mail.hostcenter.com Remote Server returned '554 5.7.1 <mail.hostcenter.com #5.7.1 smtp; 553 5.7.1 <xxxx(a)sqships.ch>: Sender address rejected: not logged in>' dig mx sqships.ch @ns2.hostcenter.com ;; ANSWER SECTION: sqships.ch. 86400 IN MX 10 mail.hostcenter.com. But this is wrong. Domain was moved last week, and this is incorrect response. Can someone from Swisscom contact us off list, or help us ? Thanks, Rémy

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Beer Events 2018
by Viktor Steinmann 13 Mar '18

13 Mar '18

Dear fellow SwiNOGers I have decided, to organize some Beer Events in the Zurich area for 2018, as the tradition must live on... Here are the dates for 2018: Monday, 9. April 2018 Monday, 4. June 2018 Monday, 3. September 2018 Monday, 1. October 2018 Monday, 3. December 2018 As you can see, we'll have only 5 events, but that's still better than nul. The invitation for the individual event will pop up about 10 days before the actual event on this list. Stay tuned! Kind regards, Viktor

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IRR and trust
by Vincent Bernat 12 Mar '18

12 Mar '18

Hey! I am peering with Atlantic Metro at DE-CIX. Their IRR record is "AS-AMC". I have noticed recently some invalid prefixes: $ bgpq3 -4 -R 24 -m 24 -A -J -E AS-AMC [...] route-filter 1.0.0.0/24 exact; route-filter 1.1.1.0/24 exact; I didn't check which members of the macro pulled those prefixes (is there an easy way to get where it comes from?) but I thought information from IRR records were veted by RIR. It seems this is not the case. Is it because some RIR don't check anything or just because there is no way to secure such a macro? In this case, what is the best practice when peering with such a transit provider? Thanks! -- It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse-races. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

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