We too.... customers are calling :-(
Sincerly
Daniele Ladu
-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of Thomas Schneider Sent: Freitag, 15. Juli 2005 09:30 To: swinog@lists.swinog.ch Subject: [swinog] swisscom dsl down?
good morning
can you confirm that swisscom dsl is down? we have lost some customers in different areas.
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Ladu, Daniele schrieb:
We too.... customers are calling :-(
Even here at GPS Technik AG, customers do call in. We don't sell ADSL or do ADSL but people complain anyway.
I wonder when the first customer calls to ask, what car he should buy at Züri West (our neighbors).
CU, Venty
Yep, our customers called us too , but i said them that this outage was not our problem :-), but they don't believe us what a mess!
best regards
E.Altherr
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Kamm" ylz@ylz.ch To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] swisscom dsl down?
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 10:00 +0200, Martin Ebnoether wrote:
Even here at GPS Technik AG, customers do call in. We don't sell ADSL or do ADSL but people complain anyway.
Also here customers called in saying "I can't reach..."
Cheers
- Dan
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Hello
I've just read in 20Minuten, that Swisscom apparently is blocking Skype traffic over their UMTS network. They only want UMTS to be used for "data" traffic, not for voice (yeah, so what exactly IS a UDP-packet then ????).
some questions from my side: - is it blocked by port-blocking, or traffic-analysis (i.e. protocol recognition etc.) -> would it work using a different port for Skype (provided it is possible to change port settings in Skype, don't know)
- is this legal? what if I need to use that specific port which is used by skype, but I'm running something else on it (NOT VoIP) ?
- why do they act up like a 3y-old child? can't they just let things happen the way they're supposed to happen? I hate censorship in any form.
and don't get me started about my Nokia 6630 UMTS mobile phone which hasn't a Vodafone Live Client on it, so I can't use it for streaming video as NOBODY at Swisscom was able to tell me the configuration for a 3rd party video client... I specifically DID NOT WANT vodafone live on it (proprietary cr*p)
and finally, they should rather get their ADSL working and not close down specific services as they wish...
grrrrr... rant over.
Hello,
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 10:30, Umberto Annino wrote:
I've just read in 20Minuten, that Swisscom apparently is blocking Skype traffic over their UMTS network. They only want UMTS to be used for "data" traffic, not for voice (yeah, so what exactly IS a UDP-packet then ????).
Other UMTS providers are doing the same. There was an article on heise.de this (or perhaps last week) about that. I think it's time that GSM and UMTS providers are thinking about their prices. Especially here in Switzerland.
Ihsan...
On Fri July 15 2005 10.48, Ihsan Dogan wrote:
On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 10:30, Umberto Annino wrote:
I've just read in 20Minuten, that Swisscom apparently is blocking Skype traffic over their UMTS network. They only want UMTS to be used for "data" traffic, not for voice (yeah, so what exactly IS a UDP-packet then ????).
Other UMTS providers are doing the same. There was an article on heise.de this (or perhaps last week) about that. I think it's time that GSM and UMTS providers are thinking about their prices. Especially here in Switzerland.
Telcos hate (any form of) VoIP in userland. Telcos come from a place where they can monitor/bill exact usage. To them it sums up to lost revenues: [1][2]
While such a barrier could easely be circumvented, e.g. a vpn to some place. The common user is being repressed for the above reasons.
Probably for most users it would be cheaper to pay the swisscom fee for traffic (80.- a month for 1 gig of traffic) and then reroute the normal landline via sipgateway, then to pay swisscom's hefty mobile fee.
Another issue is that Skype causes traffic whilst not in use. Apperantly to some statistics posted in some forum I cannot remember: up to a gigabyte a month. So they could argue consumer protection.
[1] "http://www.computerweeklyms.com/research/ovum/The impact of VoIP.pdf" [2] http://www.nzz.ch/2005/05/24/hy/articleCTEMZ.html (German)
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Folken wrote: [...]
Telcos hate (any form of) VoIP in userland. Telcos come from a place where they can monitor/bill exact usage. To them it sums up to lost revenues: [1][2]
Well.. they can still bill you for data usage...
[...]
Another issue is that Skype causes traffic whilst not in use. Apperantly to some statistics posted in some forum I cannot remember: up to a gigabyte a month. So they could argue consumer protection.
That's certainly not the general case. I have Skype on my machines at home as well as at the office. For both connections I get traffic reports and my traffic hasn't changed much since I installed Skype. I thought that Skype selects random ports for the service, but in any case you can select the port yourself (which I had to do to make it work behind a NAT box).
The sad thing is that Swisscom has a complete &%*ç"&*/@% as speaker, who tells a newspaper that they do not offer UMTS services for voice, but only for data traffic. What does he think voice is?? Maybe the very little Mr. Voicy who carries his voice in a tiny suitcase through the cables.
- Felix
You can take skype over a FTP Port... Then it schould be work... But you havn't a good connaction
-----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]Im Auftrag von Umberto Annino Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Juli 2005 10:30 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: [swinog] Swisscom blocks Skype over UMTS ?
Hello
I've just read in 20Minuten, that Swisscom apparently is blocking Skype traffic over their UMTS network. They only want UMTS to be used for "data" traffic, not for voice (yeah, so what exactly IS a UDP-packet then ????).
some questions from my side: - is it blocked by port-blocking, or traffic-analysis (i.e. protocol recognition etc.) -> would it work using a different port for Skype (provided it is possible to change port settings in Skype, don't know)
- is this legal? what if I need to use that specific port which is used by skype, but I'm running something else on it (NOT VoIP) ?
- why do they act up like a 3y-old child? can't they just let things happen the way they're supposed to happen? I hate censorship in any form.
and don't get me started about my Nokia 6630 UMTS mobile phone which hasn't a Vodafone Live Client on it, so I can't use it for streaming video as NOBODY at Swisscom was able to tell me the configuration for a 3rd party video client... I specifically DID NOT WANT vodafone live on it (proprietary cr*p)
and finally, they should rather get their ADSL working and not close down specific services as they wish...
grrrrr... rant over. _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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