SwissIX goes 10Gig!
Dear all,
The generous offering of SWITCH (AS559) to participate in the cost of a new shiny 10Gig capable platform enables us to go ahead with upgrading the peering infrastructure of SwissIX http://www.swissix.ch/ while maintaining the idea of a community-driven, non-profit and free internet exchange.
FastE and GigE ports will remain with a free setup (except at two locations a small fee for cabling expenses is charged). However the SwissIX board decided to charge a bigger setup fee for 10Gig ports:
CHF 12000.00 one time fee incl. SR Xenpak or CHF 13500.00 one time fee incl. LR Xenpak
(Prices are valid until further notice, and note that cabling cost of the colocation is not included in the price mentioned.)
This fee is payable to SwissIX (currently w/o VAT) and will help to grow the hardware platform. Please note that SwissIX is charging only a one-time fee for 10Gig, there are
*NO RECURRING COSTS*
for all ports. (Association membership is optional but encouraged - see http://www.swissix.ch/memberappl.php)
If you are interested in a 10Gig port, please contact me offlist.
We hope to get the 10Gig platform up and running in Q4 2007 in the first location (Equinix Zurich 1, formerly known as IXEurope Zurich 1, formerly known as Telehouse Facilities, Hardstrasse 235, CH-8050 Zurich). For the 2nd location InterXion Glattbrugg is forseen, but to achieve this, more funding is needed.
If you would like to join SwissIX please follow the setup procedure: http://www.swissix.ch/how_to_get_connected.php
Of course we are always looking for more sponsors and members - if you would like to support the SwissIX project, please contact me offlist.
Best regards,
Fredy Künzler SwissIX President
Am 11.10.2007 um 14:17 schrieb Fredy Kuenzler:
SwissIX goes 10Gig!
Dear all,
The generous offering of SWITCH (AS559) to participate in the cost of a new shiny 10Gig capable platform enables us to go ahead with upgrading the peering infrastructure of SwissIX http:// www.swissix.ch/ while maintaining the idea of a community-driven, non-profit and free internet exchange.
Cool stuff.... But I'm having some problems reaching www.swissix.ch, could someone look please at the IPv6 setup of that machine? no connection, no ping, no traceroute. All works well in IPv4 land.
If not even ISPs and IXPs can get IPv6 running reliably.... *ducks*
-daniel
Mahlzeit,
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Daniel G. Kluge wrote:
Am 11.10.2007 um 14:17 schrieb Fredy Kuenzler:
SwissIX goes 10Gig!
yay! \o/
Cool stuff.... But I'm having some problems reaching www.swissix.ch, could someone look please at the IPv6 setup of that machine? no connection, no ping, no traceroute. All works well in IPv4 land.
If not even ISPs and IXPs can get IPv6 running reliably.... *ducks*
Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst 1. fe-5-0.cr-6.home.nibbler.de 0.0% 1 0.8 0.8 0.8 0.8 2. ip-168.nbg1.de.ipv6.as250.ne 0.0% 1 52.8 52.8 52.8 52.8 3. ip-4-1-0-23.dus10.ip6.tiscal 0.0% 1 66.4 66.4 66.4 66.4 4. so-1-1-2.dus11.ip6.tiscali.n 0.0% 1 70.8 70.8 70.8 70.8 5. so-1-1-0.lon11.ip6.tiscali.n 0.0% 1 81.4 81.4 81.4 81.4 6. 2001:7f8:4::513:1 0.0% 1 83.5 83.5 83.5 83.5 7. adm-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia. 0.0% 1 96.5 96.5 96.5 96.5 8. 2001:2000:3081:c::2 0.0% 1 120.3 120.3 120.3 120.3 9. r9.ipv6.init7.net 0.0% 1 121.9 121.9 121.9 121.9 10. pollux.ipv6.swissix.ch 0.0% 1 115.7 115.7 115.7 115.7
seems to work at least from here.
cheers, nibbler
Daniel
Cool stuff.... But I'm having some problems reaching www.swissix.ch, could someone look please at the IPv6 setup of that machine? no connection, no ping, no traceroute. All works well in IPv4 land.
Can you send us a trace from your location and probably an ip-address close to you we may ping/trace?
Followup please to swissix@swissix.ch.
Am 13.10.2007 um 16:11 schrieb Roman Hochuli:
Daniel
Cool stuff.... But I'm having some problems reaching www.swissix.ch, could someone look please at the IPv6 setup of that machine? no connection, no ping, no traceroute. All works well in IPv4 land.
Can you send us a trace from your location and probably an ip-address close to you we may ping/trace?
Followup please to swissix@swissix.ch.
Here one from myself done just now (You can use 2002:4d39:18eb: 1337::1 for pings and traces):
traceroute6 to pollux.swissix.ch (2001:7f8:24::7e) from 2002:4d39:18eb:1337:216:cbff:fea6:a18d, 30 hops max, 12 byte packets 1 2002:4d39:18eb:1337::1 (2002:4d39:18eb:1337::1) 1.32 ms 0.569 ms 0.439 ms 2 2002:c058:6301:: (2002:c058:6301::) 46.86 ms 47.939 ms 47.377 ms 3 v2-1-1-2076.xsr01.asd002a.surf.net (2001:610:f01:9012::13) 63.087 ms 56.471 ms 53.912 ms 4 zt-500.xsr03.asd002a.surf.net (2001:610:e08:40::42) 51.911 ms 74.454 ms 47.248 ms 5 2001:5002:100:7::1 (2001:5002:100:7::1) 84.238 ms 91.246 ms 99.343 ms 6 so-0-0-0-dcr2.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:e::1) 85.431 ms 83.645 ms 82.415 ms 7 so-5-0-0-bcr2.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:f::2) 84.147 ms so-5-0-0- bcr1.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:25::2) 91.195 ms so-5-0-0- bcr2.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:f::2) 84.638 ms 8 ge-1-3-0-iar1.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:14::3) 83.529 ms ge-0-3-0- iar1.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:13::3) 95.866 ms ge-1-3-0- iar1.fra.cw.net (2001:5000:0:14::3) 82.148 ms 9 2001:5001:200:6::2 (2001:5001:200:6::2) 99.614 ms 81.969 ms 82.931 ms 10 s-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net (2001:2000:3010::2) 96.119 ms 83.565 ms 83.506 ms 11 adm-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net (2001:2000:3010:1::2) 92.504 ms 82.392 ms 84.012 ms 12 2001:2000:3081:c::2 (2001:2000:3081:c::2) 111.058 ms 109.246 ms 110.145 ms 13 r9.ipv6.init7.net (2001:1620::9) 111.648 ms 127.799 ms 113.157 ms 14 * * *
And two via sixxs.net:
IPv6 traceroute from noc.sixxs.net @ SixXS NOC, AS12871 to www.swissix.ch : Hop Node Loss% Sent Last Avg Best Worst StDev ASN Organisation 1. 2001:838:1:1::1 0.0% 5 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.0 12871 Concepts ICT ge-1-3-0.breda.ipv6.concepts-ict.net. 2. 2001:838:0:10::1 0.0% 5 2.4 9.7 2.4 38.9 16.3 12871 Concepts ICT 3. 2001:7f8:1::a500:1273:1 0.0% 5 2.8 3.0 2.8 3.7 0.4 zpr2.amt.cw.net. 4. 2001:5000:0:e::1 0.0% 5 16.5 18.2 16.5 23.6 3.1 1273 Cable & Wireless Telecommunication Services GmbH so-0-0-0-dcr2.fra.cw.net. 5. 2001:5000:0:f::2 0.0% 5 16.4 16.5 16.4 16.6 0.0 1273 Cable & Wireless Telecommunication Services GmbH so-5-0-0-bcr2.fra.cw.net. 6. 2001:5000:0:13::3 0.0% 5 16.6 16.6 16.5 17.0 0.2 1273 Cable & Wireless Telecommunication Services GmbH ge-0-3-0-iar1.fra.cw.net. 7. 2001:5001:200:6::2 0.0% 5 44.2 44.2 44.0 44.4 0.1 1273 Cable & Wireless Telecommunication Services GmbH 8. 2001:2000:3010::2 0.0% 5 43.8 44.0 43.8 44.2 0.2 1299 TeliaSonera AB s-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net. 9. 2001:2000:3010:1::2 0.0% 5 53.1 53.7 53.1 53.9 0.3 1299 TeliaSonera AB adm-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net. 10. 2001:2000:3081:c::2 0.0% 5 81.7 149.3 81.4 346.8 114.9 1299 TeliaSonera AB 11. 2001:1620::9 0.0% 5 190.9 153.2 82.1 258.7 75.2 13030 Init Seven AG r9.ipv6.init7.net. 12. ??? 100.0 5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
IPv6 traceroute IPv6 traceroute from deham01.sixxs.net @ Easynet, AS4589 to www.swissix.ch : Hop Node Loss% Sent Last Avg Best Worst StDev ASN Organisation 1. 2001:6f8:800:1003::209:55 0.0% 5 2.7 40.0 2.0 189.9 83.8 4589 Easynet Group Ltd vl101.cr21.isham.de.easynet.net. 2. 2001:6f8:800:0:1:b:1:13 0.0% 5 2.4 18.9 1.3 86.0 37.5 4589 Easynet Group Ltd ge1-3.br3.isham.de.easynet.net. 3. 2001:6f8:800:0:1:18:209:52 0.0% 5 17.3 17.9 17.3 18.5 0.5 4589 Easynet Group Ltd ge0-2-0-123.br1.ixfra.de.easynet.net. 4. 2001:6f8:800:0:1:4:10:40 0.0% 5 17.5 18.0 17.4 18.7 0.6 4589 Easynet Group Ltd fe0-0.6er0.ixfra.de.easynet.net. 5. 2001:7f8::cb9:0:1 0.0% 5 18.2 18.4 18.0 19.1 0.5 de-cix.fra20.ip6.tiscali.net. 6. 2001:668:0:2::1:442 0.0% 5 18.4 19.1 18.4 19.6 0.6 Tiscali International Network B.V. ge-5-1-0.fra10.ip6.tiscali.net. 7. 2001:668:0:2::4b0 0.0% 5 18.5 19.0 18.5 19.6 0.5 Tiscali International Network B.V. so-1-0-0.fra40.ip6.tiscali.net. 8. 2001:668:0:2::1:402 0.0% 5 21.7 22.1 21.2 22.8 0.7 Tiscali International Network B.V. so-4-1-0.dus11.ip6.tiscali.net. 9. 2001:668:0:2::1:31 0.0% 5 39.2 38.8 37.9 39.4 0.6 Tiscali International Network B.V. so-1-1-0.lon11.ip6.tiscali.net. 10. 2001:7f8:4::513:1 0.0% 5 39.3 39.4 38.7 40.8 0.9 11. 2001:2000:3010:1::2 0.0% 5 48.6 49.3 48.6 50.1 0.6 1299 TeliaSonera AB adm-ipv6-b1-link.ipv6.telia.net. 12. 2001:2000:3081:c::2 0.0% 5 77.3 77.2 76.6 77.5 0.4 1299 TeliaSonera AB 13. 2001:1620::9 0.0% 5 77.4 79.4 76.2 86.1 4.0 13030 Init Seven AG r9.ipv6.init7.net. 14. ??? 100.0 5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Cheers, -daniel
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 01:02:30AM +0200, Daniel G. Kluge wrote:
Can you send us a trace from your location and probably an ip-address close to you we may ping/trace?
Followup please to swissix@swissix.ch.
Because this is of general interest, I'll keep swinog looped in;
When I try to reach www.swissix.ch from the internet, it seems that I do make it into AS13030, hitting r9.ipv6.init7.net (2001:1620::9). But the pollux.swissix.ch machine doesn't seem to have a route back to me (AS12859 for example).
I noticed that you are using an IXP prefix for your webserver. Looking at SixXS' distributed looking glass[1], I see that still many ISPs are not accepting this /48 into their routing tables (and in my opinion, rightfully so). The IXP prefixes were not meant to host services in, rather only to make sure switch fabric is using a globally unique prefix (which comes in handy with stuff like DNS and ICMP unreachables and the like). I think that RIPE NCC has mentioned something to that effect when 2001:7f8:24::/48 was allocated.
It might make more sense to host the webserver from a prefix that is visible in the DFZ everywhere, but I don't think that's the problem here. [1] shows that many people do not have a route for your /48
groet, Pim
[1] http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?when=now&year=2007&month=10&d...
Hello Pim
Followup please to swissix@swissix.ch.
Because this is of general interest, I'll keep swinog looped in;
But the pollux.swissix.ch machine doesn't seem to have a route back to me (AS12859 for example).
As I explained in another mail already we are probably hit by a kernel-bug which is corrupting the ipv6 kernel-routingtable altough the bgpd-routingtable has a correct view of the world. We are working on this issue and will keep you posted.
I noticed that you are using an IXP prefix for your webserver.
Yes, that's correct.
Looking at SixXS' distributed looking glass[1], I see that still many ISPs are not accepting this /48 into their routing tables (and in my opinion, rightfully so). The IXP prefixes were not meant to host services in, rather only to make sure switch fabric is using a globally unique prefix (which comes in handy with stuff like DNS and ICMP unreachables and the like). I think that RIPE NCC has mentioned something to that effect when 2001:7f8:24::/48 was allocated.
RIPE's policy to this topic is clear: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-256.html
--snip 4.0 Warning Networks assigned under this policy may not be globally routable. --snap
So, yes, you're right, there might be some networks that will not route our ipv6-prefix. Thank you for pointing this out. OTOH we had, have and most probably will operate some services for our members running in that ip-space (also reachable via ipv4).
Running these services in another ip-space would afford some entity to sponsor the service and hardware or housing while, at the moment, some peers are generously sponsoring some upstream and we can take care of the rest. Since the later option is a very short amount of work for the sponsors I guess it will stay this way. I think the board maybe will have to consider to stop running the services on IPv6 for the sake of availability. OTOH I'd be interested to hear if any of our peers is blocking our prefix since they are the main audience for our services...
Roman Hochuli wrote: [..]
OTOH I'd be interested to hear if any of our peers is blocking our prefix since they are the main audience for our services...
According to http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/dfp/ripe/ :
2001:7f8:24::/48 SWISSIX-20031113 AS20612 72%
As such only 72% of the BGP peers of GRH actually have that prefix. Then peek at http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/lg/?find=2001:7f8:24::/48 and you will find the active peers who are not seeing the prefix.
Of course, more ISP's are always welcome to donate their prefixes to the system with the little cost of a EBGP connection to GRH, but as can be seen above this allows one to very easily see what is going on and where.
Telia seems to be your only transit btw, you might want to checkup if filters really allow the IX prefix out from their network.
Greets, Jeroen
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