Dear Swinogers.
I run a couple of .com and .ch domains, which are registered via Gandi.net
About one week ago, Gandi activated 'privacy protect' on my .com domains, hiding all my contact data in the whois output, without me asking them to do so. They sent an email though, that they would do so because of the GDPR.
I asked them how GDPR entitles them to do so, in my opinion the GDPR aims for more transparency and thus, this is contra productive.
Also, such domains usually quite quickly get a bad reputation as hiding the whois data is something the 'bad guys' do. Also it becomes a bit more difficult, to verify if a domain is legit or not to decide upon well crafted phishing emails. Or to contact the owner in case of security incidents.
I told Gandi about my concerns, but only got the reply that they were forced to hide whois contact information on all domains registered via their service because of GDPR. Having the contact data published now is optional and has to be activated manually by the domain owner.
This surely is not the case, as my .ch domains registered with gandi still show my complete contact.
So I asked Gandi for how the GDPR exactly forces them to hide their customer's whois data. I haven't got a reply to this yet.
So I wonder if somebody on this list knows the background why gandi acts this way and if other registrars do the same.
If I get the whois data for some well known domains like:
microsoft.com google.com swiss.com credit-suisse.com
NONE has 'privacy protect' activated.
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
-Benoît Panizzon-
If I get the whois data for some well known domains like:
microsoft.com google.com swiss.com credit-suisse.com
NONE has 'privacy protect' activated.
I only see the registrar's contact details for all domains. Seems to be standard for com Domain since last few weeks.
https://www.golem.de/news/dsgvo-icann-verliert-gerichtsstreit-ueber-whois-da...
It's not the same, but nice to know: https://nextcloud01.cloud42.ch/index.php/s/cAbYANCM4gAgBSz
On 2018-07-02 09:45, Benoit Panizzon wrote: [..]
Also, such domains usually quite quickly get a bad reputation as hiding the whois data is something the 'bad guys' do. Also it becomes a bit more difficult, to verify if a domain is legit or not to decide upon well crafted phishing emails. Or to contact the owner in case of security incidents.
Bad guys just provide false data (and the privacy hiding things)
Hence, whois is mostly useless, even though that false data might be able to correlate multiple domains (which is a feature that is lost now)
As RIPE is clearly demonstrating though, throwaway addresses and emails are totally okay to have in RIPE whois....
Currently "good guys" will publish one of these: https://<domain>/.well-known/security.txt
e.g.: https://www.google.com/.well-known/security.txt https://unfix.org/.well-known/security.txt etc.
as per the _draft_: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-foudil-securitytxt-03 https://github.com/securitytxt/security-txt and (as usual)not everybody is happy with it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15416198
Many folks also publish it directly as /security.txt; I have a default location in nginx to cover them and put it everywhere (with try_files one can try to per-vhost edition and then fall back to a generic one).
.oO(Yes, the Internet is HTTPS now, everything else is futile... new Internet users on the block do not know what whois is, let alone what it was useful for; problem reports are automated nowadays, few still actually read/act upon abuse@ or security@ addresses...)
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So I asked Gandi for how the GDPR exactly forces them to hide their customer's whois data. I haven't got a reply to this yet.
Nothing forces them to do so, they are just covering their behinds.
By blocking it they do not have to deal too much with GDPR, thus it is the path of least difficulty (read: money).
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If I get the whois data for some well known domains like:
microsoft.com google.com swiss.com credit-suisse.com
NONE has 'privacy protect' activated.
None of those are private individuals.
Greets, Jeroen
Hi Benoit
As far as I see, the common understanding of the GDPR of most registrars is that they need to protect the personal data if the domain holder is a private person. If the domain holder is an organization, the holder and tech-c can be published, but most registrars are paranoid because of the fines in the GDPR and don’t publish anything. ICANN sued one registrar (EPAG) for not publishing, but lost the initial court case:
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/litigation-icann-v-epag-2018-05-25-en
For .ch there is still the VID that requests the whois data to be published:
Art. 46 Öffentlich zugängliche Daten
1 Folgende Angaben müssen in der WHOIS-Datenbank abrufbar sein:
a. Bezeichnung des zugeteilten Domain-Namens und entsprechenden ACE-String; b.1 Name und Postadresse der Halterin oder des Halters des betreffenden Domain-Namens; c.2 bei einem aktivierten Domain-Namen: die Daten der zugeteilten Namensserver; d. und e.3 … f.4 Name und Postadresse der technisch verantwortlichen Person; g. die Angabe, ob ein Domain-Name durch das DNSSEC-System gesichert ist; h. Datum der ersten Zuteilung des Domain-Namens; i. der vollständige Name des Registrars, der im Auftrag der Halterin oder des Halters des betreffenden Domain-Namens handelt. 2 Die Registerbetreiberin trifft geeignete, namentlich technische, Massnahmen, um eine missbräuchliche Verwendung der öffentlich zugänglichen Angaben, insbesondere ihre Verwendung zu Werbe- oder Verkaufsförderungszwecken, zu verhindern.
Best regards
Michael
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Am 02.07.2018 um 09:45 schrieb Benoit Panizzon benoit.panizzon@imp.ch:
Dear Swinogers.
I run a couple of .com and .ch domains, which are registered via Gandi.net
About one week ago, Gandi activated 'privacy protect' on my .com domains, hiding all my contact data in the whois output, without me asking them to do so. They sent an email though, that they would do so because of the GDPR.
I asked them how GDPR entitles them to do so, in my opinion the GDPR aims for more transparency and thus, this is contra productive.
Also, such domains usually quite quickly get a bad reputation as hiding the whois data is something the 'bad guys' do. Also it becomes a bit more difficult, to verify if a domain is legit or not to decide upon well crafted phishing emails. Or to contact the owner in case of security incidents.
I told Gandi about my concerns, but only got the reply that they were forced to hide whois contact information on all domains registered via their service because of GDPR. Having the contact data published now is optional and has to be activated manually by the domain owner.
This surely is not the case, as my .ch domains registered with gandi still show my complete contact.
So I asked Gandi for how the GDPR exactly forces them to hide their customer's whois data. I haven't got a reply to this yet.
So I wonder if somebody on this list knows the background why gandi acts this way and if other registrars do the same.
If I get the whois data for some well known domains like:
microsoft.com google.com swiss.com credit-suisse.com
NONE has 'privacy protect' activated.
Mit freundlichen Grüssen
-Benoît Panizzon-
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