Another argument not to use windoze...
Christian
-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl
...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . .
please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value...
limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story...
just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser
----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" manuel.wenger@ticinocom.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl
Hello,
That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-)
What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-)
-Manuel
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please stick to the real world... ...and think again about the "targetpeople"...
in addidtion on the other hand: i really cannot think of someone using a "penguin-os" (or whatever) and downloading less than 20MB/month...
why the hell can one always make a linux** vs. windows-topic out of everything?! :-/
greetz, mark
** > or freebsd, beos, osx, solaris or anything else...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kuster, Christian" Christian.Kuster@sunrise.net To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [swinog] future of dsl
Another argument not to use windoze...
Christian
-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl
...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . .
please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value...
limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story...
just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser
----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" manuel.wenger@ticinocom.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl
Hello,
That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-)
What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-)
-Manuel
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Swisscom will make money. With adsl for only 25.--/Mt. or less. They couldn't finance the infrastructur. With the new price they get a lot of money. 2nd part is the most people woln't pay a fixrate. They say i don't use ADSL so often... With this offer, i think they get a lot of people to adsl, which now are using a anlalog modem or an ISDN TA.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]Im Auftrag von mark walliser Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:55 An: swinog@swinog.ch Betreff: Re: [swinog] future of dsl
please stick to the real world... ...and think again about the "targetpeople"...
in addidtion on the other hand: i really cannot think of someone using a "penguin-os" (or whatever) and downloading less than 20MB/month...
why the hell can one always make a linux** vs. windows-topic out of everything?! :-/
greetz, mark
** > or freebsd, beos, osx, solaris or anything else...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kuster, Christian" Christian.Kuster@sunrise.net To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [swinog] future of dsl
Another argument not to use windoze...
Christian
-----Original Message----- From: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch]On Behalf Of mark walliser Sent: Freitag, 22. Juli 2005 09:23 To: swinog@swinog.ch Subject: Re: [swinog] future of dsl
...so, what will be the price of all these nice "automatic updates": - the next servicepack - the security patches - the update of the virusscanner - the update of the anti-spyware . . .
please don't arguement: turn it off... because "automatic" is recommended - and the targetpeople you named, they definitely choose the recommended value...
limit @ 20MB is way to low... ...i for one would never choose "non-flatrate", but that's a different story...
just my 0.02$ cheers, mark walliser
----- Original Message ----- From: "Manuel Wenger" manuel.wenger@ticinocom.com To: swinog@swinog.ch Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: R: [swinog] future of dsl
Hello,
That Sunrise offer is just a "Bauernfänger": 20 MB are exhausted in a few days by requesting the "Tagi"'s (or Blick ..) homepage and receiving some Emails - including "God morning" stuff and SPAM. In fact, with this offer they may still reach the 40 CHF ;-)
What you say is true. But that's not what this new ADSL product's target customers do with Internet. I think more of people like "my mother" (tm) who turn on the 'puter once a week to receive *one* email from her friend and then once a month to do their telebanking stuff. People like this actually exist, and that's a good product for them. They will never reach the 49.-/month that a 600/100 costs. That's why we are also offering this product :-)
-Manuel
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Kuster, Christian schrieb:
[about updates, horrible TOFU-Quoting because of high suck-level removed]
Another argument not to use windoze...
So, you say you never update your Linux- and/or Unix-Systems? Good luck then.
I think Windowsupdate is great, but thats more or less the only thing that I find good about Windows though. Oh and some games like Freelancer. =:-)
CU, Venty
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