will this be the new business model after upgrading mostly to fiber? "we sell copper" does get a double meaning :)
-steven
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:42 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Copper thefts in california
In addition to the traditional backhoe threat, as the price of copper increased so has the threat of people stealing telephone trunk cables containing copper wire.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4021500 Since Jan. 1, there have been 148 reports of copper wire theft in San Bernardino County, said sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller. [...] Per pound, the metal has risen in price from about 70 cents in July 2001 to $3.60 this month, according to Kitco Inc., an international retailer of precious metals. [...] Anyone with information on the Verizon theft may call the Verizon Security Control Center, 1-800-997-3287. For the AT&T thefts, people may call security at (213) 633-2558 or (213) 633-2405. People with information on copper thefts may also contact their local law enforcement agencies.
Great idea! ;-)
Btw, there was a story in the french news a few months ago regarding copper theft on the new tgv line from Paris to Strasbourg, where they had to dedicate a police detachment to the construction site.
Brgds,
Karim -----Message d'origine----- De : swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] De la part de Glogger Steven Envoyé : lundi 10 juillet 2006 08:38 À : swinog@swinog.ch Objet : [swinog] FW: Copper thefts in california
will this be the new business model after upgrading mostly to fiber? "we sell copper" does get a double meaning :)
-steven
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:42 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Copper thefts in california
In addition to the traditional backhoe threat, as the price of copper increased so has the threat of people stealing telephone trunk cables containing copper wire.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4021500 Since Jan. 1, there have been 148 reports of copper wire theft in San Bernardino County, said sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller. [...] Per pound, the metal has risen in price from about 70 cents in July 2001 to $3.60 this month, according to Kitco Inc., an international retailer of precious metals. [...] Anyone with information on the Verizon theft may call the Verizon Security Control Center, 1-800-997-3287. For the AT&T thefts, people may call security at (213) 633-2558 or (213) 633-2405. People with information on copper thefts may also contact their local law enforcement agencies. _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Just sharing a though about
Maybe it's more a reputation risk model, than a new business model ;-)
Even is part of those copper wires and last mile optical fibers were not identified as "critical" before. Today, such copper/fiber wires and last mile SME access, have to be part of the whole critical infrastructures. In the future, telco companies will have to guaranty that aspect of the question, and they will have to ensure that unauthorized persons cannot access to any part of the wire in a way to interrupt it or stole it. This will launch lot of questions about who is responsible of what (e.g. the basements which are hosting the wires and fibers) between cities and operators...
It's not out of mind to imagine - in the obscure side of the competitive world or of the organized crime one, taking into account the big amount of data carried by a fiber and the cost of an interruption - that companies could be a good target for this type "DOS" blackmail (threatening them to cut fibers or wires somewhere outside of the company). Whatever would be the origin of the interruption (crime, theft, accident, fired worker, hacktivist), the effect will affect the reputation of the company and respectively the one of it's provider.
regs stéphane koch -internet society geneva -intelligentzia.net
--------------------- The French source refered in the previous post:
Le prix du cuivre a une nouvelle fois atteint un niveau historique le 25 avril dernier chiffrant 7 200 dollars la tonne sur le London Metal Exchange (LME), premier marché mondial des métaux non ferreux. Les perspectives de fortes demandes combinées à la faiblesse des stocks se traduisent par une multiplication des vols de métaux qui ont doublé depuis la fin 2005. En France, le 20 avril dernier 40 tonnes de cuivre ont été dérobées par un commando armé d'une dizaine de personnes dans une entreprise de recyclage de métaux de Reims. Le chantier de la ligne du TGV-Est a également fait l'objet de plusieurs vols s'élevant à 7 tonnes de cuivre et d'acier. A Nantes l'an passé ce sont 538 tonnes de métaux non ferreux qui ont été revendus par des gens du voyage à un ferrailleur. Dans l'Aisne, trois camions transportant du cuivre ont été braqués en novembre 2005, février et mi-avril 2006. Dans l'Hérault, 3 hommes ont été surpris en train de découper des câbles France Télécom. Source: Les Echos - 25-26/04/06 - Le Monde 27/04/06 http://www.serce.fr/pdf/presse/revuedepresse92.pdf
Côte d'Ivoire: Télécommunications : L'Unetel interpelle l'Etat ivoirien http://fr.allafrica.com/stories/200606300507.html
Vol de câbles électriques et téléphoniques en Algérie http://www.algerie-dz.com/article1164.html
Backhoe-attack cable thief disables phone service in Russia (1997) http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19.23.html#subj6
Telkom South Africa reported more than 4,000 incidents of cable theft in 1996, at an estimated cost of US$50 million. http://learnlink.aed.org/Publications/Concept_Papers/solving_connectivity_pr oblem.pdf
-----Message d'origine----- De : swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] De la part de Glogger Steven Envoyé : lundi, 10. juillet 2006 08:38 À : swinog@swinog.ch Objet : [swinog] FW: Copper thefts in california
will this be the new business model after upgrading mostly to fiber? "we sell copper" does get a double meaning :)
-steven
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 10:42 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Copper thefts in california
In addition to the traditional backhoe threat, as the price of copper increased so has the threat of people stealing telephone trunk cables containing copper wire.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4021500 Since Jan. 1, there have been 148 reports of copper wire theft in San Bernardino County, said sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller. [...] Per pound, the metal has risen in price from about 70 cents in July 2001 to $3.60 this month, according to Kitco Inc., an international retailer of precious metals. [...] Anyone with information on the Verizon theft may call the Verizon Security Control Center, 1-800-997-3287. For the AT&T thefts, people may call security at (213) 633-2558 or (213) 633-2405. People with information on copper thefts may also contact their local law enforcement agencies. _______________________________________________ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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