...or modify your webservers to not deliver web content on such routes to avoid PRISM and inform the customer about the "shortcut" of his switzerland to switzerland data over NSA territory...
Imagine seeing such alerts while trying to pay your bills on ebanking...
Reminds me of "redwindow" around the 1996 for the oldies among you.



On 26.09.2013, at 15:57, Matias Meier <meier@matias.ch> wrote:

Hi
 
Ccom helpdesk won’t help you, because they don’t even know what routing is… You need to send routing related things to peering@aorta.net
 
remarks:        Peering Requests: peering@aorta.net
remarks:        Routing Issues:   peering@aorta.net
 
 
Freundliche Grüsse
 
Matias Meier
Online WebToolbox: www.webtoolbox.ch
 
Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Stephan Wolf
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. September 2013 15:47
An: swinog
Betreff: Re: [swinog] Scenic route of the day: L3 towards UPC
 

I have seen things here similar to this very often / permanently:

cablecom  to UK/NL often via level3 and washington instead going directly

may something to do with UPC and partnership with level3 - and the "Nonpartners" of level3.

"we do not peer with you" politics ?! 

imho   cogent vs level3

below a trace to system in london from cablecom home:

  2     9 ms    17 ms     7 ms  x.dclient.hispeed.ch [x]
  3    10 ms    11 ms    10 ms  217-168-58-101.static.cablecom.ch [217.168.58.101]
  4   111 ms   101 ms   101 ms  84.116.211.22
  5   101 ms   183 ms   102 ms  84.116.204.225
  6   102 ms   101 ms   101 ms  84-116-130-181.aorta.net [84.116.130.181]
  7   102 ms   101 ms   101 ms  84.116.133.185
  8   101 ms   101 ms   110 ms  84.116.134.62
  9   110 ms   107 ms   158 ms  te-4-1.car3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.79.168.201]
 10     *      110 ms   117 ms  ae-3-80.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net [4.69.149.146]
 11   108 ms   107 ms   109 ms  Cogent-level3-1x10G.washington.Level3.net [4.68.63.174]
 12   149 ms   109 ms   109 ms  be2113.mpd21.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.6.170]
 13   111 ms   174 ms   107 ms  te0-0-0-20.ccr21.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.42.22]
 14   180 ms   179 ms   191 ms  te0-2-0-2.mpd22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.42.54]
 15   200 ms   179 ms   193 ms  te0-7-0-30.ccr21.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.0.117]
 16   215 ms   232 ms   192 ms  te2-1.ccr01.lon18.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.61.214]
 17   190 ms   191 ms   183 ms  149.14.8.34
 18   179 ms   179 ms   180 ms  y

tried multiple times to escalate this in ccom helpdesk.
was silted there......

 

 

 

2013/9/26 Fredy Kuenzler <kuenzler@init7.net>

Anyone else seeing this... do we have a new peering spat or is it just a
random routing issue?

Regards,
Fredy



traceroute to 84.116.204.234 (84.116.204.234), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  r1zlz1.core.init7.net (77.109.136.233) [AS13030]  23.682 ms  23.741
ms  23.775 ms
 2  r1zrh1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.209) [AS13030]  0.188 ms
r1zrh2.core.init7.net (77.109.128.74) [AS13030]  0.199 ms
r1zrh1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.209) [AS13030]  0.193 ms
 3  r1bas1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.130) [AS13030]  1.090 ms  1.129 ms
r1fra1.core.init7.net (77.109.128.250) [AS13030]  38.806 ms
 4  r1fra2.core.init7.net (77.109.128.133) [AS13030]  5.997 ms  5.988 ms
 6.016 ms
 5  TenGigabitEthernet8-1.ar2.FRA4.gblx.net (64.213.54.33) [AS3549]
6.653 ms  6.134 ms  6.673 ms
 6  ae7.edge2.SanJose3.level3.net (4.68.62.177) [AS3356]  153.420 ms
152.925 ms  153.399 ms
 7  vlan70.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.152.126) [AS3356]  161.564 ms
vlan90.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.152.254) [AS3356]  161.054 ms
vlan70.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.152.126) [AS3356]  161.807 ms
 8  ae-71-71.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.153.5) [AS3356]  160.948 ms
ae-61-61.ebr1.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.153.1) [AS3356]  160.512 ms
160.433 ms
 9  ae-2-2.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.135.186) [AS3356]  161.355 ms
 161.310 ms  161.509 ms
10  ae-47-47.ebr2.NewYork2.Level3.net (4.69.201.34) [AS3356]  161.949 ms
4.69.201.38 (4.69.201.38) [AS3356]  161.581 ms  161.724 ms
11  ae-1-100.ebr1.NewYork2.Level3.net (4.69.135.253) [AS3356]  162.124
ms  161.121 ms  161.658 ms
12  4.69.201.85 (4.69.201.85) [AS3356]  161.126 ms 4.69.201.93
(4.69.201.93) [AS3356]  161.524 ms 4.69.201.85 (4.69.201.85) [AS3356]
161.193 ms
13  ae-72-72.csw2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.150) [AS3356]
161.151 ms  161.558 ms ae-82-82.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net
(4.69.134.154) [AS3356]  161.627 ms
14  ae-33-80.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.149.133) [AS3356]
185.388 ms ae-43-90.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.149.197) [AS3356]
 263.449 ms ae-23-70.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.149.69) [AS3356]
 264.054 ms
15  UPC-BROADBA.car3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.79.168.202) [AS3356]
161.118 ms  161.109 ms  160.838 ms
16  84.116.134.61 (84.116.134.61) [AS6830]  167.752 ms  167.674 ms
159.751 ms
17  at-vie15a-ra1-xe-2-2-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.245) [AS6830]  160.584
ms  161.327 ms 84-116-130-62.aorta.net (84.116.130.62) [AS6830]  160.749 ms
18  hu-bud02a-ra3-xe-1-1-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.194) [AS6830]  161.284
ms  160.877 ms ch-zrh02a-ra1-xe-2-0-0.aorta.net (84.116.130.226)
[AS6830]  160.285 ms
19  84.116.204.234 (84.116.204.234) [AS6830]  160.346 ms  160.831 ms
160.272 ms


--
Fredy Kuenzler

Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
AS13030
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