hello
the back Channel is

euro.docsis 8MHz
and
docsis(american) 6MHz.

MFG
P Sonderegger

Evard Antennenbau AG
Wasserstrasse 8
2555 Brügg
Tel: 032 373 12 14 Fax: 032 373 54 56
www.evard.ch



"Xaver Aerni" <xaerni@pop.ch>
Gesendet von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch

16.12.2006 14:12
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Re: C(c)able Problems was:  [swinog] de-peering





Return Channels for Cablemodems could be from 5 MHZ till 68 MHZ.
The Problem ist the most HF (Verstärker und Dosen) are only  from 5 MHZ till
30 MHZ for the back Channel.

When you have the american Standard you have 7 MHZ band with Euro Standard
you have 8 MHZ.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniele Guazzoni" <daniele.guazzoni@gcomm.ch>
To: <swinog@swinog.ch>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: C(c)able Problems was: [swinog] de-peering


> Don't forget that most of the cable installation in apartment buildings
> has been done quite some time ago and they are not really
> "state-of-the-art", especially regarding ground-loops, HF-grounding and
> cable segments acting as antenna.
>
> And anyone who has a Ham-Radio station (like me) in the neighborhood has
> anyway to expect interferences on CATV in the ranges:
> 1.8 - 2.0 MHz
> 3.5 - 3.8 MHz
> 7.0 - 7.4 MHz
> 10 MHz
> 14.0 - 14.4 MHz
> 18.0 - 18.2 MHz
> 21.0 - 21.5 MHz
> 24.8 - 25.0 MHz
> 28.0 - 29.7 MHz
> 50.0 - 52.0 MHz (limited to 25 W EIRP)
> 144 - 146 MHz
> All frequency range above are allowed with a maximum EIRP of 1 kW !
> Note also that all the above ranges beside the 7MHz band are exclusive
> assigned frequency.
> Therefore the cable provider has to ensure that there are no leakage from
> CATV to air and vice versa.
>
> The return frequency band is 6 to 29MHz so wherever the return channel
> will be it always overlap with one of the Ham bands.
>
> Daniele
>
>
>
> Roger Schmid wrote:
>> so then in english ..
>>
>> i measured the backward channel ingress on an 10 appartment house in
>> zurich, this was after CC had upgraded the whole cabling.
>> i got levels up to 70dbuv arround 15-16 mhz during early nighttimes,
>> 20mhz was arround 50dbuv, 27mhz nearly nothing, but the HF condition on
>> this frequency'y are not good actually as we are on the sunflare minimum,
>> lets see what happens to the backchannel in 5-6 years when we are on the
>> sunflare maximum where you can reach australia with 1watt power on 20 mhz
>> ;-)
>>
>> The ingress dropped 20db when i was pulling a 4mm2 wire from the cable
>> ground to the power ground. (sideffect, there was a 2,5A current flow
>> thru that earthwire connection)
>>
>> btw: there was a 100hz TV and a PC with videocard connected to the CC
>> net, if switched on they produced additional 10DB wideband noise between
>> 10 and 45 mhz
>>
>> this leads me to the idea, what when a CC angry user with HF experience
>> inject a jamming signal into his wall socket ? ;-)
>> That is one big disadvantage of that technology. how about the legal
>> issue then ?
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> Am 16 Dec 2006 um 0:30 hat Will van Gulik geschrieben:
>>
>> Date sent:                  Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:30:43 +0100
>> From:                        Will van Gulik <porcus@porcus.ch>
>> To:                            swinog@swinog.ch
>> Subject:                     Re: AW: WG:  [swinog] de-peering
>> Send reply to:            swinog@swinog.ch
>>
>> <mailto:swinog-request@lists.swinog.ch?subject=unsubscribe>
>>                <mailto:swinog-request@lists.swinog.ch?subject=subscribe>
>>
>>>  This sounds really interessting, but what about an English version, or
>>>  worse, a french one ?
>>>
>>>  Please, well all know that communicating is not as simple as we'd liked
>>>  it to be, (read : packet loss, version problems, flapping, [use any
>>>  silly/true reason here]), but *trying* to make it readable to anyone
>>>  else is quite a nice bonus.
>>>
>>>  Did we won that one ? ;)
>>>
>>>  Xaver Aerni wrote:
>>>  > Hallo Peter,
>>>  >
>>>  > Die meisten CC Modems ist das Webinterface gesperrt.
>>>  >
>>>  > Deshalb ist es nicht möglich.
>>>  > Laut den Spezifikationen war der Upstream auf 27 MHZ. Bei unseren
>> Messungen
>>>  > sind die auf 23 MHZ gewesen.
>>>  > Die Frage ist nur wieso... Man sagt ja das von 15 - 20 MHZ die
>>> Störungen
>>>  > sehr gross sind (auf den Kabelnetz) und wenn die Mittelfrequenz bei
>> 23 MHZ
>>>  > ist (8 MHZ Bandbreite) kommen die recht in diesen bereich runter.
>>>  >
>>>  > Gruss Xaver
>>>  >
>>>  >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>  >> Von: swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch
>>>  >> [mailto:swinog-bounces@lists.swinog.ch] Im Auftrag von Peter Baumann
>>>  >> Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Dezember 2006 17:24
>>>  >> An: swinog@swinog.ch
>>>  >> Betreff: Re: WG: [swinog] de-peering
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Xaver Aerni schrieb:
>>>  >>> Hab mal eine ernste Frage betreffend Cablecom und ihren dauernden
>>>  >>> Störungen…
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> Ist es möglich dass die CC ihre Upsteamfrequenz von 27 MHZ
>>>  >> auf 23 MHZ
>>>  >>> gewechselt hat? Das würde die Störungen dauernden Störungen
>>>  >> erklären.
>>>  >>> Gruss Xaver
>>>  >>>
>>>  >> Hi Xaver
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Meistens kann man auf dem Cablemodem Webinterface die
>>>  >> Up-/Downstream Frequenzen und HF-Pegel anschauen.
>>>  >> Versuch mal mit dem Browser auf http://192.168.100.1 zu
>>>  >> connecten, dort gibts ev. je nach Modell eine Diag-Seite.
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Ev. hilft auch das folgende Tool um die Abfrage via SNMP zu machen:
>>>  >> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/docsdiag/
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Gruss
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Peter
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>>>  --
>>>  --
>>>  [   Will van Gulik     ]
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>>>
>>
>>
>> graphic
>>
>> csdata brasil Ltda.
>> Roger Schmid
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