Zusammen,
I quote:
@ Andreas
>> ...by using the AntiTerror law...
Please Pony up the clause invoked in this piece of legislation so that we can observe the context of it - if any. Whatever legislation they used is not important, it protected a large amount of municipal UK assets. I wouldn’t want my money gone with the wind just because you don’t think it’s right and proper!
>> What if one day, they decide to block www.ubs.com <http://www.ubs.com> because too many UK customers use it for money laundry as example?
Sounds perfectly reasonable. This is not censorship of ones’ right to be. This is an example of criminality and the onus would be on UBS et al to negate it. And the Swiss Government would take action in all probability long before that came about.
@ Markus
>> ...Homeland security here we come...
The social ill’s seen as endemic in many cities across it (UK) are brought about by weakened schooling, a distinct lack of self-discipline and a propensity for binge-drinking, wanton vandalism, bodily harm and kebabs each and every Friday through Sunday. But recent Government (last 20 years or so) have been unable to deal with it effectively for many, many reasons.
The direct consequence of this has seen CCTV attempt to tackle the problem, rightly or wrongly. The Egg came before the Chicken in this case. But, of course, the camera’s shall stay no matter what.
We discussed this for a while this afternoon in the SP NOC and the understanding was that many casual users of paedophilia, though not the tech-savvy harder-core, would, in all probability, be deterred by DNS re-direction to local-host or another site stating “SRC IP logged” etc. Simple to implement and probably largely effective.
I don’t have a problem with any technology that blocks objectionable material that is non-consensual to the overriding majority. It serves no useful purpose and does not infringe my right to be.
On 10/12/2008 15:54, "Andreas Fink" <afink@list.fink.org> wrote:
My Opinion:
Censuring is dangerous and legally challenging. You either do it all and take responsibility for all your decisions or you do nothing and say you are not in control.
Censuring under control of someone else basically means you can be blamed for results you don't have under your control. This sounds like a ticking time bomb.
Just as an example: UK Government has confiscated assets from Icelandic banks (to protect the investment UK people have done in Icelandic savings funds which went belly up) by using the AntiTerror law as the ground of the claim! What if one day, they decide to block www.ubs.com <http://www.ubs.com> because too many UK customers use it for money laundry as example? It could be totally legal from a UK perspective and totally illegal from a swiss perspective and would have a severe effect for your customers.
You're playing with fire here...
On 10.12.2008, at 15:17, Markus Wild wrote:
Let me see... so I'm building a resiliant network with resiliant
upstreams, just to have a single box as a bottleneck for a list of
addresses that is not maintained by me or at least a Swiss authority
following Swiss laws (and includes a country such as the UK that is
infamous for being extremely conservative in all "moral" issues, and
just loves to watch over its citicens with a mentality that would just
create a public outcry if the government tried to do that over here,
see full-scale cctv-covering of major cities). Homeland security here
we come...
Also, attracting external traffic to an internal server will require
some ugly hacks to actually then pass the traffic on to the real site,
probably involving some odd tunneling to one of the gateways
(resiliance?), reducing MTU and increasing latency. I am not thrilled...
Cheers,
Markus
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